Talk:Cibolo, Texas

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I have added that it is in Bexar County. Capitalistroadster 01:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure if Cibolo is in fact in Bexar County. I will need to look at a Bexar County map and see for myself.CiboloBuffalo (talk) 03:44, 20 February 2018 (UTC) CiboloBuffalo

I have just found that a VERY tiny portion of the City by Cresent Bend Nature Park (in Schertz) is actually in Bexar county. Currently, the area is privately owned, in the Cibolo Creek floodway, and uninhibited. CiboloBuffalo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:35, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Population?

I'm seeing an estimated population as of 2008 for Cibolo of about 12,000. Does anybody know where the 17,000 figure came from? —C.Fred (talk) 03:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

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Revising Cibolo History

My goal as a long time resident of Cibolo is to provide a truthful picture of the City. This should include highlights and positive things and of course, low lights and events that may be viewed as somewhat negative. There has been a recent effort (as of Dec 2017) to delete items that may show some of the city's few blemishes. This needs to stop. I am not sure how to do it, but revising history at any level is bad for all.

CiboloBuffalo (talk) 05:12, 3 December 2017 (UTC) Cibolo Buffalo

@LittlePuppers: I have a question to ask your opinion on. It deals with history of our City and its inclusion in the Cibolo Wikepedia page. At one point the History section had the paragraph below. However, it seems like it keeps getting deleted. It is sourced, but I am wondering if it valid to include in the Cibolo Page. Thanks for your thoughts.

In 2015, the mayor at the time, Lisa Jackson, resigned her role as mayor of Cibolo a few weeks prior to the election of a new mayor, of which she was not running. The background is that a Cibolo councilman/Mayor Pro Tem and a candidate for District 7 council that year (who was also member of the City’s Planning and Zoning Commission) were involved in a public discussion that resulted in the candidate using slanderous language about the councilman at a public event. After the event, a mediation was held between the 2 men, the Planning and Zoning President, of which there was an agreement set that had the Planning and Zoning member apologize publicly to the councilman. Prior to that mediation, the Mayor Pro Tem wanted to file an ethics complaint against the Planning and Zoning member, but instead felt a public apology would suffice. The mayor was briefed on this agreement by the Planning and Zoning President and the Mayor Pro Tem. However, the two men made a side agreement that did not include a public apology. The mayor was informed of the side agreement prior to the October 13, 2015 City Council meeting. Mayor Jackson resigned her post stating she could not condone back door agreements and risk the trust of the citizens of Cibolo in regards to the outcome affecting the November 2015 election with knowledge of ethics violations sited by the Mayor Pro Tem. See the following reference and fast forward to the 1 hour, 28 minute, 26 second mark of the referenced YouTube video to watch the resignation unfold. However, as the City's champion for ethics (as demonstrated with her push to create an ethics and code of conduct ordinance) and with her own stated knowledge of ethics violations, she did not follow up and pursue said violations bringing into question if there truly were any violations to begin with.

CiboloBuffalo (talk) 22:03, 18 July 2018 (UTC)CiboloBuffalo

@CiboloBuffalo: Hmm. I don't really know. You probably have more of an idea of how big of a thing this was in your city. Some of it has a few issues with unencyclopedic tone, and maybe some editorializing (it's largely primary sources, so that could be significantly improved). I'd say ask whoever's removed it. LittlePuppers (talk) 02:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

References

Updated Page after getting locked down

As there was somewhat of a controversy about the History section of the Cibolo page, the page reverted to a copy that was fairly bare. Now since the page was unlocked, I repopulated the page in all areas except the History section. My goal is to make this the point to revert to in the future if there is more controversy. I have not updated the History section, but will in the future little by little as I have time.

C.B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CiboloBuffalo (talk • contribs) 04:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Historical Updates

There has been some recent deletions to information on the Cibolo, TX page. This wiki page, when built out, provides both city citizens and outsiders a good overview of the City. For example, the neighborhood and HOA section was deleted. I restored it as it provides reference for many people when these neighborhoods exist. If you go to the New York City Wiki page, there are sections on the various neighborhoods in the City. If one City can have the info, another - no matter the size - should have it too. CiboloBuffalo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

New York City has one section about the five boroughs. It also has links to Boroughs of New York City and Neighborhoods in New York City. It does not have a section about any neighborhoods. Also note that these boroughs each have populations from about 500,000 to 2.5 million. You list 47 neighborhoods, with little information about each. It also only lists when 5 of them began. The only reference is the city GIS (which is an accurate source, though primary, but does not show notability - and some would argue that it is original research). LittlePuppers (talk) 00:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

While Wikipedia does not have sections in the New York City article, it actually has a Wikipedia page dedicated to New York City Neighborhoods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods_in_New_York_City Additionally each borough has a section on their neighborhoods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manhattan_neighborhoods , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brooklyn_neighborhoods , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Queens_neighborhoods , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bronx_neighborhoods , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staten_Island . CiboloBuffalo (talk) 00:12, 15 Jul 2018 (UTC)

@CiboloBuffalo: Can you find any secondary sources about those neighborhoods? LittlePuppers (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@LittlePuppers: When you say "those neighborhoods", which neighborhoods are you talking about, the ones in Cibolo or the NYC ones? What type of secondary sources are you looking for? In the end, I could walk around the city and take pictures of each neighborhood entryway showing the cross streets, but I think that is a bit much. Or I could reference the builders' websites that show the neighborhoods. To be honest, in a previous edit I only had the "newer" neighborhoods listed; however, I believed that did not tell the full facts of the city as it left out many other citizens. In the end, the reason I created this section is to show the history of the City of Cibolo for future residents. Right now Cibolo is building out and residents are moving in in droves. Somewhere I reference that Cibolo was the 2nd fastest growing city in the United States at one point in time. My project is to reference to future area residents how the city built out. My goal is to show when each neighboorhood developed so that future residents know. It is an on-going project that is why only a few years are listed. I might be wrong that it seems like it is relevant for an encyclopedia. CiboloBuffalo (talk) 21:37, 18 Jul 2018 (UTC)

I was thinking more of the ones in Cibolo. I wonder if something like "list of neighborhoods in Cibolo" would met the criteria for an article. Looking further, I'm finding this policy (see #7) that says that simple lists of things such as subdivisions shouldn't be used in articles, and relevant things should be added as sourced prose with explanations. LittlePuppers (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Looking at this further, I have some significant concerns about notability. Six leaf park has seven homes. Town creek south has six homes. Williams ranch appears to be quite small, as well as in development (so I'm not entirely sure how many homes it will have, but I doubt very many). I find little reason to believe there is any notability for any of these except perhaps a few of the largest. LittlePuppers (talk) 00:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Define "notability". One could say many of the "notable residents" in each of the location articles are not notable globally. However, wikipedia allows it. Therefore, I would think notability is dependent on the community's view of it. And in the local area (Guadalupe County, San Antonio area, etc.) these areas can be considered of note. CiboloBuffalo (talk) 00:12, 15 Jul 2018 (UTC)

@CiboloBuffalo: On Wikipedia, something is considered notable if it has been mentioned in (or, in the case of articles, is the topic of at least three) reliable, secondary sources (to show both notability and verifiability). LittlePuppers (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@LittlePuppers: Please correct me is I am wrong, but after reading notable, I see that notability applies to articles and not the content inside of the article. From what I read, "The criteria applied to the creation or retention of an article are not the same as those applied to the content inside it. The notability guidelines do not apply to contents of articles or lists". Am I missing something? CiboloBuffalo (talk) 21:44, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

You're right, that's more for articles. Content has to be verifiable (preferably by inline citations to reliable sources, with many exceptions - ex. primary sources are best for quotes, guidelines are stricter for medicine and biographies, etc.), as opposed to original research, it has to give due but not undue weight, be neutral, and numerous other policies (we have a ton of policies, but also a policy to ignore to policies). LittlePuppers (talk) 03:24, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

City Level Awards & Recognition

This section is important for historical and governmental accountability purposes. Right now the City is winning many awards from various organizations. If in the future, these awards stop coming it, it may be a time for the citizens to take a look at its leadership and figure out why. Maybe saftey has taken a second seat to collecting tax revenue, maybe there is higher costs of living in the City, etc. Who knows. But if it was left to the City to keep the notes, they might disappear just for the city to look better. CiboloBuffalo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:33, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure, some of these might be notable. But please explain why you think the following are notable:

• # 6,952 of 12,608 Best Places to Retire in America
• # 101 of 271 Best Suburbs to Raise a Family in Texas
• # 19 of 28 Suburbs with the Lowest Cost of Living in San Antonio Area
• # 3,889 of 15,751 Best Places for Millennials in America

And there are many more like these. LittlePuppers (talk) 00:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

They are notable because the people of Cibolo earned them through work, planning, budgeting, and electing the officials to get these statuses. One may say that it more notable than a single person winning some made up award like Best Actor, which is totally subjective. At least these awards are objectively awarded. There is criteria set to obtain these, unlike something like the Golden Globes. Just read the "Criticism" section of the Golden Globes wikipedia page and explain to me that those have more meaning. Finally, define "notable". Can something be locally notable that is not globally notable? CiboloBuffalo (talk) 05:29, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Notability defined above. Looking at it more, these aren't even really awards - they're statistics. I don't know how you can consider something like "best places for millennials" objective - sure, you could try, but it still wouldn't be completely objective. I don't really see any case for including these statistics either - Niche isn't an especially prominent company and most cities' articles' statistics are limited to a few major objective things such as population, area, time settled, governmental officials, demographics, etc. - largely the things located in the city infobox. Looking through some of the WikiProject Cities featured articles, I see nothing with statistics like these, and very little even about awards. LittlePuppers (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

For now, I deleted any highlight that was worse than 20%. However, I did go to Niche's website and they so, for the most part, have objective data backing up their ratings. For example here: https://about.niche.com/methodology/best-places-to-live/ Niche shows the percentages that go into their best places to live. Niche basis 10% of their Best Places to Live on Cost of Living. Well, delving further, its Cost of Living grade is based on data from US Census Bureau, Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the Tax Foundation (https://about.niche.com/methodology/cost-of-living/) Here is a list of some of the data sources: https://about.niche.com/data/ Conceptually, my thoughts process on this part of building Cibolo's article is to show history to future residents. In 5, 10, 20 years from now, residents should be able to look back and see where their city is going. Is it getting better? Is it getting worse? Is it stagnant? And then the residents should look to see why. CiboloBuffalo (talk) 21:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I've looked into this further (relevant) and it appears that the issue is more of a lack of exposition on any of these statistics. Maybe you should ask someone at Wikiproject Cities, as I don't see anything about this in their article structure guidelines. LittlePuppers (talk) 03:24, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Cibolo Parkway

This project is a game changer for both the City, the South Central Texas Region, and Texas in general. The wikipedia page describes the history of this project much like that of other roads in the United States and its various states. CiboloBuffalo (talk • contribs) 03:19, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@CiboloBuffalo: an editor just removed quite a bit of sourced content about Cibolo Parkway (and other topics) from this article, stating in the edit summaries that the information is inaccurate and/or slander. I'm posting here to start a discussion on the topic, but I'm not taking any action to revert the editor's deletions.  Eyer ^contact  12:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

@Eyer: The basic issue is that there is are two factions in Cibolo. One for the Parkway and one against. If you read what I wrote, there is not much slant to it. It highlights the positives and negatives of the project. Notice that the person who deleted the information has no user profile. I suspect I know who it is. I will revert the information deleted when I get a chance. Thanks for the heads up. CiboloBuffalo (talk) 02:37, 1 August 2019 (UTC)CiboloBuffalo CiboloBuffalo (talk • contribs)

Issues with Content - A Comparative Analysis

curprev 16:50, 16 October 2019‎ Canterbury Tail talk contribs‎ 29,264 bytes -22,809‎ rv mass reinstatement of validaly removed information that is partially copyright violation, mass violations of WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a repository to be a one stop shop about a subject, it is not here to include unencyclopaedic lists of city committees and local information of zero interest to a worldwide audience. Do not reinstate without discussing on talk page. undothank curprev 15:47, 16 October 2019‎ CiboloBuffalo talk contribs‎ 52,073 bytes +334‎ →‎City level awards and recognition: Needs to finish up with time, but this is a placeholder to start. undo Tag: Visual edit curprev 15:41, 16 October 2019‎ CiboloBuffalo talk contribs‎ 51,739 bytes +100‎ →‎Subdivisions / HOAs: Updated HOAs in town undo Tag: Visual edit curprev 15:33, 16 October 2019‎ CiboloBuffalo talk contribs‎ m 51,639 bytes -4‎ →‎History: Deleted Extra spacing between subject areas, undo Tag: Visual edit curprev 15:31, 16 October 2019‎ CiboloBuffalo talk contribs‎ 51,643 bytes +2,099‎ →‎History: Updated History with References. undo Tag: Visual edit curprev 15:11, 16 October 2019‎ CiboloBuffalo talk contribs‎ 49,544 bytes +896‎ Undid revision 910819064 by Canterbury Tail (talk) Copied Directly is fine if Wikipedia is gathering all the pertinent information about a entity in one central place. Wikipedia can be one stop shopping for all that is known about an entity with the references to delve further into the knowledge base. undo Tag: Undo curprev 15:08, 16 October 2019‎ CiboloBuffalo talk contribs‎ 48,648 bytes +1,606‎ Undid revision 910818743 by Canterbury Tail (talk) Any awards listed on Wikipedia are only for those in the community it resides in. Does anyone outside the United States care about the Emmy Awards for US TV shows or Tonys for Broadway plays. undo Tag: Undo curprev 15:05, 16 October 2019‎ CiboloBuffalo talk contribs‎ 47,042 bytes +6,865‎ Undid revision 907092764 by JoeCibolo (talk) This edit did NOTHING to correct what Joe Cibolo says is incorrect information. First, it is verifiable through the references provided. Second, if it is inaccurate, Joe Cibolo needs to provide the correction, not the total deletion. undo Tag: Undo curprev 15:02, 16 October 2019‎ CiboloBuffalo talk contribs‎ 40,177 bytes +9,868‎ Undid revision 907092281 by JoeCibolo (talk) This information is not slander. Everything is verifiable through the references. undo Tag: Undo curprev 14:56, 16 October 2019‎ 2601:285:4180:5fe0:44e7:a81f:68a2:452a talk‎ 30,309 bytes +1,045‎ Undid revision 910818869 by Canterbury Tail (talk) This is more than a directory. It explains the background in the various committees. This information is not readily available on the city website. It looks like this information was kludged together from the city charter, attending city meetings, city council meeting minutes, and the city website. undo Tag: Undo — Preceding unsigned comment added by CiboloBuffalo (talk • contribs)

@CiboloBuffalo: What are you trying to tell us with this dump of edit summaries? —C.Fred (talk) 20:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

- @C.Fred Long story short, I am just a resident of Cibolo for many years that goes to the many of the various council and committee meetings. If I don't go, I watch them on the live stream. I developed a love for Cibolo and wanted to document all the good and bad that happened in Cibolo. Unfortunately, there are people who would like to white wash the history of Cibolo. I have no conflict of interest. I just want to publish the unvarnished story of Cibolo. Until recently, most if not all of the deletions are from non-username people. I at least sign my entries. I have provided references to video clips, meeting minutes, and news articles. There are many people that do not want that information out there. Please notice that I do post the positive along side the negative. As for the critique of lists like parks and award winners, many times this information is deleted as someone thinks it is not important to those outside of the region. My point I was making above is that the importance is in the eye of the beholder. Lists of Cibolo Award winners to someone in Oklahoma is just as important as the list of Tony Award winners or NFL MVPs to someone in Kenya. That is why it is in there. As a researcher, one should be able to find all about Cibolo in the same place as someone can find the days it snowed in Florida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_in_Florida) - CiboloBuffalo (talk) 16:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

So I deleted a bunch of stuff. I'm not interested in whitewashing anything, and I have zero interest in Cibolo. However a bunch of the stuff I deleted were copyright violations lifted directly from various websites. Items that aren't of interest to a wider audience, this page needs to speak to anyone in the world not just people living in Cibolo. I hate to say it but nobody cares about the lists of city committees and who are on them, and very detailed directory information on the local parks. This is an encyclopaedia, not a detailed city directory. A lot of the information was just pure trivia and not encyclopaedic or of interest to people. The cities employee of the year award? Not encyclopaedic by any stretch of the imagination. The 1,002nd best suburb to buy a house? Just no. Canterbury Tail talk 16:27, 8 January 2020 (UTC)