Talk:Civic Choice

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English name[edit]

I believe that name of parties should be left in original language, in this case "Scelta Civica". 94.37.234.230 (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Number of MPs[edit]

RJFF asked this question to me in my talk page:

Another question, this time relating to improvement of articles: In Civic Choice, it is said that after the election, they had 37 deputies and 15 senators. Now, 20 deputies and 12 senators left, and 26 deputies and 8 senators remain. This does not add up. Maybe I have overlooked the relevant sentence, but as far as I see the article does not explain where the 9 extra deputies and 5 senators come from. (I could have asked this at the article's talk page, but as I was already here, and you are the main author, and the one most likely to solve this...) Best regards! --RJFF (talk) 20:27, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As the issue is of public interest, I hope RJFF does not mind if I answer here. In the 2013 election SC elected 37 deputies and 18 senators (including 2 from the UdC and one from FLI). In the Chamber the 37 SC deputies formed a joint group with the 8 UdC deputies and 2 deputies elected from Italians abroad (one was a member of FLI), hence 47 deputies. In the Senate the 18 SC/UdC/FLI senators were joined by Monti, a senator for life, and one elect by Italians abroad (also a member of FLI), hence 20 senators. All the three FLI MPs later joined SC. One SC deputy left the party a couple of months ago, other 20 (including 7 out 8 elected in the UdC slates) left this week to join For Italy. Twelve senators out of 20 (including the two UdC senators) left to join For Italy too. --Checco (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the article should explain this. Otherwise it will leave readers with open questions. --RJFF (talk) 13:33, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Please feel free to edit the article as you like. Many many thanks! --Checco (talk) 13:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I did my best to clarify the issue you raised. By the way, we have to mind that the composition of parliamentary groups in Italy is highly volatile. It would be barely impossible to track all the movements from a party to another. Take care, --Checco (talk) 14:44, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agreed. There is no need to go into detail and document the exact number of members. It should just be mentioned that the parliamentary groups included more than just SC party members. Thanks a lot! --RJFF (talk) 16:01, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks to you! --Checco (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Two issues: disbandment and Conzatti[edit]

Hello, I have two doubts on the party:

  • 1. disbandment: the party joined Us with Italy in December 2017, but that was not a new party, but a coalition of parties, thus SC continued to exist also after; the party can be considered practically disbanded, but, technically, it is still active, isn't it? please let's find sources;
  • 2. Conzatti: it seems like Donatella Conzatti, who recently joined Renzi's Italy Alive party was a SC member at the time of her election in a first-past-the-post constituency in Trentino; see, for instance, this source, which contradicts me on the first issue, by the way, but I think it is wrong on that).

--Checco (talk) 05:44, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The party has de facto ceased activities at the end of 2017, simultaneously with its adhesion to NcS. Unfortunately there are no sources about its dissolution, but after two years of total inactivity it is legitimate to state that the party no longer exists.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 21:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So it is better to write that the future of the party is unclear or, if we want to add a dissolution date, a generic "2018". --Checco (talk) 05:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The party has been inactive de facto since its adhesion NcI, on 19 December 2017. Its dissolution has never been formalized, but this is nothing new. The current version seems to me the most practical and formally correct (after all, after how many years of inactivity can a party be considered dissolved?) --Scia Della Cometa (talk) 07:48, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is no rule about that. However, as NcI was not a party, but an electoral list, 19 December 2017 cannot be the date. Moreover, there are posts on Facebook and on the party's official website until the 2018 general election. I would prefer to have "2018 (de facto)" as dissolution date. --Checco (talk) 13:59, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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