Talk:Classical Athens

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City and City-State confusion

"The city of Athens during the classical period of Ancient Greece (508–322 BC)[1] was a notable polis (city-state) of Attica" The first sentence of the article is confusing, if not wrong. City and city-state (polis) are two completely different things during that particular time period. So if this article is about the city-state, the above sentence is incorrect. It implies that the city of Athens and the city-state of Athens are one and the same. It should be: "Athens during the classical period of Ancient Greece (508–322 BC)[1] was a notable polis (city-state) located in Attica, with a major urban center of the same name."Stroumel (talk) 01:10, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strategoi

The strategoi were elected (rather than chosen by lot) "for obvious reasons" it says. It is not obvious to me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.231.210.143 (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, well, presumably you would want the power to elect competent people to be your generals in times of war. Singinglemon (talk) 23:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BC vs. BCE

BC is relatively outdated in terms of academic usage. Is a change appropriate?

Yup. Mchcopl (talk) 17:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. The OP's opinion is not true, and we go by whatever the article was started as far as dates go, anyway.

Rise to Power

This does not make sense: "Prior to the rise of the city-state of Sparta considered itself the leader of the Greeks, or hegemon." Myrvin (talk) 15:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll change it to something I think makes sense. This whole article needs a severe looing at. Myrvin (talk) 09:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gate to Kynosarges

The Diomean Gate do not lead to Cynosarges (this information comes from XIX century). Correct version: The Itonian Gate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.218.229.100 (talk) 18:25, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Scope of the article (or "Athens under Rome")

A series of IP edits here seems to have unilaterally expanded the article to cover Hellenistic Athens. As the classical period is conventionally considered to end with the death of Alexander, I propose to remove the content that was added to cover the Hellenistic period, and re-establish this end point. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 21:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Caeciliusinhorto: I think the scope of the article is too narrow and should covers the entire history of the city-state, from its fondation to the Roman conquest (in 146 BC). There is already a quasi-duplicate of this article in Fifth-century Athens. If so, a renaming would be needed. T8612 (talk) 21:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes, arguably there should be an article on Ancient Athens, rather than the current system where we have stand-alone articles on Classical Athens and Fifth-century Athens, but only History of Athens#Roman Athens for Athens under Rome, and an empty section at History of Athens#Hellenistic Athens. And Fifth-century Athens probably should not be a separate article. But I am fairly confident that there's enough to say about classical Athens that it is deserving of its own article. And I've been sufficiently absent from wikipedia recently that I am not taking on ancient Athens as a project! Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 21:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The "Classic" history period is the time-period of Greece and Rome - it didn't end with Alexander's death. ??? -HammerFilmFan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.15.21 (talk) 08:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Classical Athens" and "Classical Greece" generally refer specifically to the fifth and fourth centuries BC. E.g. the introductions of both the Cambridge Companion to Archaic Greece and the Cambridge Companion to the Hellenistic World define Classical Greece as referring to this period. Similarly, on wikipedia we distinguish Classical Greece from Ancient Greece, and our article History of Athens distinguishes the Classical and Hellenistic periods. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 11:22, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]