Talk:Coastal fortifications of Jersey

German fortifications in table

table construction: added to page when filled+approved

Structure(s)	Year(s) started	Location(s)	Way-point	Notes
Battery Lothringen	1941	Saint Brélade	49.1651°N 2.1681°W / 49.1651; -2.1681	Noirmont headland
Battery Moltke	1941	Saint Ouen	49.2479°N 2.2512°W / 49.2479; -2.2512	Large site spread across the Les Landes headland
Hohlgangsanlagen	1941	Various parishes	N/A	Multiple tunnels around the island
10.5cm Jäger Casemate	1941	Various parishes	Museum: 49.18036°N 2.24585°W / 49.18036; -2.24585	Multiple casemates around Jersey's coastline
4.7cm Festung Pak 36 (t) Casemate	1941	Various parishes	N/A	Multiple casemates often incorporated into the sea wall
Sechsschartentürme	1941	Various parishes	Museum: 49.212989°N 2.212072°W / 49.212989; -2.212072	Multiple Sechsschartentürme (Six-loophole turrets) around the island; one well preserved example is open as a museum.

Article name

Not all of these towers are round, so perhaps the article should be renamed? Any suggestions on a new name?

Jersey coastal towers is one possibility. Danrok (talk) 17:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)\

All are round, except for the Tour Caree. Perhaps one could move it elsewhere. The problem with renaming the article is that there are other towers, the Martello towers, that deserve their own article, and that are not Round Towers, though they are round towers. Acad Ronin (talk) 17:38, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Seymour tower is also square. As far as I know, all of these towers were intended to work together, as a perimeter defence. If so, they need to be in the same article. Splitting them up based on nothing more than their shape doesn't make sense to me. Danrok (talk) 00:38, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I'd suggest Coastal fortifications of Jersey by analogy with Coastal fortifications of New Zealand,which would provide scope for overview and context. Man vyi (talk) 09:00, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

That would make more sense, not all are towers. Danrok (talk) 14:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Good work on renamed article so far! Man vyi (talk) 05:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe call it Fortifications in Jersey fortifications in Jersey, it could be the same format as it is now, just that if all German fortification types can be included on this one page, it would mean that there wouldn't need to be a seperate German fortification page with overlapping information.

Round Tower design

A couple of discrepancies between the article and the source I have to hand (that source being William Davies' book The Coastal Towers of Jersey, 1991). First, the article states that the machicolations were added during the Napoleonic Wars. Davies maintains that they were part of the original design, and it was only the later towers which omitted them. Unfortunately the earliest image I can find is a plan of Rocco Tower from 1798. This includes machicolations, and was intended to indicate how much work had been completed at that point, so presumably the machicolations were originally included in the (earlier) design. That doesn't really help us with the design of the original towers, however. Also, the article states that Round Towers were not originally intended to carry a gun, but were retrofitted with a 12-pounder carronade, again at the start of the Napoleonic Wars. Davies states that a gun was included from the start, specifically an 18-pounder cannon (the model in the Jersey Museum appears to sport this type of weapon, certainly a cannon rather than carronade.) 94.197.149.65 (talk) 09:22, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

"the article states that the machicolations were added during the Napoleonic Wars" - I don't see this anywhere in the article. On the second point, exactly which towers are you referring to? The Conway towers or the Mertello-type round towers, and which gun positions? Some towers have two platforms - roof and base. I suspect the article may have become a bit muddled over time, and needs to be tidied-up. --Danrok (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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