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French translation of Cohen gives: Cauin/Calvin, as in: John Calvin

John Calvin was a crypto-Jew, likewise he has a crypto-Jewish lastname, Calvin, spelt before that, Cauvin, and before that Cohen. Really interesting stuff out there about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.66.66.78 (talk) 05:14, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe his ancestor was a bald (calvo) speaker of some Romance language. —Tamfang (talk) 01:35, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 July 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Cohen (surname) be renamed and moved to Cohen.

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Cohen (surname) → Cohen – Cohen now is not a valid disambig page: if you delete partial matches, only Kohen Building remains - Altenmann >talk 03:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC) - Altenmann >talk 03:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is interesting, WikiNav for "Cohen" for June indicates readers overwhelmingly went for the people list, and Kohen was the noticable second topic of interest, and some long tail including two other surnames. The list looked like this at the time - the People section just had the list article linked, and the (surname) article wasn't linked at all. The Jewish priest article was linked as the 3rd item from the bottom in the See also section, yet readers seemed to be picking it out disproportionately to that position.

I had to go back into the archive to find results with links to Cohen (surname), and then the situation was still effectively the same - the vast majority of identified clickstreams went to the anthroponymy topics.

Clickstreams from Cohen from the last six months

From meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream:

clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:

Cohen Cohen_(surname) link 477
Cohen Kohen link 48
Cohen Leonard_Cohen other 11
Cohen Cohen's_kappa link 10
total: 546 to 4 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:

Cohen Cohen_(surname) link 438
Cohen Kohen link 39
Cohen Coen link 10
total: 487 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

Cohen Cohen_(surname) link 461
Cohen Kohen link 33
Cohen Coen link 11
total: 505 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:

Cohen Cohen_(surname) link 865
Cohen Kohen link 38
Cohen Coen link 16
total: 919 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:

Cohen List_of_people_with_surname_Cohen link 406
Cohen Cohen_(surname) other 166
Cohen Kohen link 86
Cohen Coen link 28
Cohen Michael_Cohen_(lawyer) other 18
Cohen Y-chromosomal_Aaron link 13
Cohen Cohan link 13
total: 730 to 7 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-06.tsv:

Cohen List_of_people_with_surname_Cohen link 324
Cohen Kohen link 96
Cohen Coen link 18
Cohen Cohan link 15
Cohen Y-chromosomal_Aaron link 11
total: 464 to 5 identified destinations

It's pretty easy to argue that this term is largely recognized by most readers as a human name. The move would cause the readers looking for something else to have to click the hatnote, but they're typically too few to count and the long-term significance of those items doesn't seem comparable.

The surname article being split from the list of people is bad, though, because we seem to observe interest in that - in the one month when both were linked, the list got 2.5 times as much interest, and we also see hints of people looking for prominent individuals like Michael, Leonard. This is another case of WP:NAMELIST actually causing navigation to be worse. --Joy (talk) 10:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support and delete dabpage per WP:PTM. 162 etc. (talk) 16:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]