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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Criticism of the Catholic Church was copied or moved into Interfaith controversies involving the Catholic Church. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

The content was not all copied from the above article, rather much of it was transcluded from other articles, and may have unrelated content. SandyGeorgia (Talk)

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This article was created via a problematic split from Criticism of the Catholic Church; see Talk:Criticism of the Catholic Church#Other side of the same coin and the sections above that section. Transclusions may need to be removed, as they appear to have been added with little care as to to reviewing the content to determine if there was actually reliably sourced criticism in the transcluded content. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:06, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This page was only created after a consensus decided to split the page at Talk:Criticism of the Catholic Church.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 04:19, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Epiphyllum, this is misleading. As you know, the problem is not that you split the article (which was my suggestion) with consensus. The problem is that you did NOT split content from Criticism of the Catholic Church; you also transcluded content from other articles, that may or may not have reliably sourced content, and you demonstrably did this with little care, as you have been shown examples where you liberally transcluded pages with no content critical of the Catholic church. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:25, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The OP takes a rather broad view of what the term "controversies" means, failing to distinguish between differences of opinion, doctrinal disputes, intramural discipline, legitimate critiques, and barely interesting news items. The result is a hodge-podge (in some instance not particularly well-sourced) making it impossible to sort out, including "organizations not recognized as Catholic". I have treated this as a merge of whatever may be remotely salvageable back to the Criticism page for further review, 'though I really think it could have been deleted in its entire. What a mess. Mannanan51 (talk) 18:29, 29 April 2019 (UTC) FYI, please see "What links here". Mannanan51 (talk) 18:43, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mannanan51: See my comment back on the main Criticism talk discussion about the double standard in definition of "controversy", re this.

The "What links here" partly results from another abuse of templates, that are then spammed across hundreds of articles, creating lots of linkage. Template:Separation of church and state in the history of the Catholic Church, for example, needs examination, and any templates created by this editor or spread indiscriminately across articles by this editor need to be reviewed.

Once you have finished clean up here and back at the main article, this article should be redirected. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:55, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is a redirect. (If I did it right.) Mannanan51 (talk) 21:03, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see! I am checking the templates. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:17, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Backlinks are clear now: [1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:00, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]