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IMO to strengthen safety rules

The IMO is to make the servicing of lifeboats mandatory on passenger vessels in the wake of the disaster. Mjroots (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistencies in gash length

Three different lengths are given for the gash caused by the collision, and none match the single BBC source:

  • Costa Concordia disaster has both "36.5-metre tear (120 ft)" and "50-metre (160 ft) gash in the ship's port side below the water line.[21]"; ref 21 is this BBC page that has "48.8m (160ft) wide"
  • Costa Concordia has both "50 m (160 ft) gash" and "53-metre (174 ft) long gash", both unsourced (update: [1] has "damage length of 53 metres (from frame 52 to 125)")

The BBC itself may not be reliable in any case, but we could at least use a single figure. The Italian websites generally quote 70 metres, apparently sourced from this Italian Ministry of the Interior document. -84user (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC) (updated to add source for 53 m -84user (talk) 15:09, 14 July 2014 (UTC))

May be apples and pears here. The area "damaged" is no doubt more extensive than the "gash" or "tear" (whatever the latter means). Davidships (talk) 15:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Layout - images

I've been trying to improve the 'salvage' section but have reached my incompetence zone with the four images showing "Principles of righting and refloating of Costa Concordia", where the commentary needs to be associated more clearly with each image (perhaps the images across the page but more widely spaced. Hopefully someone can help with this. Davidships (talk) 22:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I fixed it, though I didn't notice you asked for help until after I fixed it. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks GD for that (and sorting the other strange error) Davidships (talk) 13:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Size of operation

The article asserts that the salvage operation is expected to be "the biggest operation of its kind". This was followed by a parenthetical which gave the cruise ship's displacement, which I have now removed. We don't know what is meant by "biggest operation", and don't really have a basis for measuring that by the ship's displacement, especially as gross tonnage, not displacement, is the proper measure of size for passenger ships-- something that the media do not understand. Perhaps this was the largest operation measured by the ship's gross tonnage, or by the amount of resources mobilized to conduct the operation, or by cost, or even the largest parbuckling operation ever. But it is not the largest passenger ship measured by displacement ever to be salvaged-- SS Europa, which had the indignity of sinking twice-- had a larger displacement. And if the question is which is the largest salvage operation in history, what about the salvage of the scuttled German fleet at Scapa Flow?

If we are going to make an assertion about size, perhaps we should just follow the BBC, which calls the operation "one of the biggest maritime salvage operations in history", Costa Concordia wreck refloated, BBC, 14 July 2014, and leave out mentions of ship size. Kablammo (talk) 19:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

It would seem that.SS Normandie at 71,000 tons displacement was bigger than either Europa (55k) or Costa Concordia (51k), although Concordia is much bigger than either in volume (gross tonnage). In complexity, which is reflected by the cost, CC must be worse as the other two sank in comparatively shallow water, whereas CC could easily have disappeared into the depths. (All concerned must be mighty relieved to have got it floating. Hats off to them!) But someone would need to do inflation calculations to be sure so I agree that 'one of the biggest' is safer, though quotes for 'most expensive' are two a penny. Chris55 (talk) 20:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks-- I forgot about Normandie/Layfayette. It displaced more; Concordia was larger (gross tonnage), although not heavier. Concordia was parbuckled, while Normandie was not. But the "biggest" used in some sources appears to refer to the salvage operation, not the size of the vessel, and that also begs the question. Kablammo (talk) 01:37, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Larger salvage operations were conducted at Scapa Flow after World War I;[2][3] during World War II large operations were conducted at Pearl Harbor,[4] the Layfayette/Normandie in New York,[5] and Cherbourg;[6] there were large salvage operations in Suez after the 1956 and 1967 wars.[7][8] Larger ships have been salvaged,[9] and in real terms, the attempted salvage by the CIA of a Soviet submarine in the Pacific was more expensive.[10] So we should not repeat the claim that this is the largest ship ever salvaged, or the largest operation. Kablammo (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
"One of the biggest" is appropriate. For "most expensive", we'd need a good source. Anyway, the full bill won't be in until dismantling is complete. Current tracking of the ship is available now that it's moving, if anybody cares.[11]. ("Status: Restricted Manoeuvrability. Destination: GENOVA. ETA: 2014-07-27 12:00 (UTC). Speed: 2.4kn.) John Nagle (talk) 08:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
With Kablammo having drawn attention to Project Azorian's reputed inflation-adjusted $3.8bn cost, Costa Concordia's current cost of $1.2bn doesn't look at all likely to rank "most expensive". Chris55 (talk) 10:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Name of dead sub

Why is it written that the name of the sub was not released? His name was Franco Moreno. Italian press is full or dedicated articles [12], [13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.37.166.247 (talk) 13:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

New lede

Can't see how the new lede is an improvement. It leaves out the actual cause of the accident - the captain wanting to give a near-shore salute to the islanders, claiming that he knew the local sea-bed well enough to deviate from the set route. Valetude (talk) 12:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Number of deaths

Is it 32 or 33? The article is inconsistent. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:18, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Red reference URL errors

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Lead section

Hello. I've noticed the lead section is a few paragraphs longer than our standard 3-4 paragraph length per WP:LEAD, so some trimming is to be needed. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 10:18, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Some thoughts becoming true without asking: [14] [15] [16] EDIT: [17] --Mopskatze (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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It did not capsize.

The Costa Concordia did not turn anywhere near upside down. It hit rocks and partially sank, heeling over at a steep angle. If you're writing about watercraft incidents, please use correct terminology. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/capsize Bizzybody (talk) 03:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Further information on why some people died?

Could the people who have worked on this article please add some information on why some people died? Are there any known facts about this? Is it because they were near the place where the rock rammed the ship and made a hole into it? Were they intoxicated or otherwise incapacitated and that's why they didn't evacuate the ship? E.g. that Korean couple that was found alive later: do we know anything about why they didn't leave their cabin in time? Did they perhaps not understand the English announcements? If anyone knows about this, please add it to the article. Thanks. EMsmile (talk) 13:53, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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