Talk:Cultural references to absinthe

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I've flagged this article as having multiple issues simply because several claims in this article need to be from sources other than the "absinthe community". Not that there is anything wrong with that community, however, ad hoc webpages and potentially biased references do not an encyclopedia make. Simply put absinthe was not the cause of and solution to all of the worlds artistic problems nor should an artists reference to absinthe be made out to be more important than it was. Studiofox (talk) 20:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion criteria

What is everyone's opinion about setting up basic criteria for something to be included on this page so the additions have relevance and don't get out of control?

For example, a song about a girls eyes being the color of absinthe with no further mention or metaphor would be a no but a song about a girl being like absinthe, addictive but bitter would be a yes. --Ari 21:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So why wouldn't the USB absinthe spoon meet inclusion criteria?

First off, the word 'absinthe' seems to be just used to make it more nonsensical; the site loses nothing if the word is replaced by 'calcium' or something. Second, you haven't demonstrated notability. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 02:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your classification of the spoon as nonsensical is subjective and how is this for notable? http://www.google.com/search?q=usb+absinthe+spoon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Danzarrella (talk • contribs) 02:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I agree with the inclusion. Although it's odd and I'm not even sure if it's real, it does talk about absinthe, is an item used with absinthe, and has entered minor-popular culture by doing the rounds on a number of blogs. The blog link should be a source instead of an external link -- Ari 02:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think blogs really can count as reliable sources due to their unpublished nature. And I definitely don't think it needs an entire paragraph and an external link; take it to its own article and add a 1-2 sentence summary in this one. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 02:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Absinthe/Romulan Ale Connection

I found an article on absinthe that says that Romulan Ale (from Star Trek) is based on absinthe:

“You have Romulan ale!” he shouted.
“S’cuse me?” I replied.
“In Star Trek, the Romulans drink a green liquor that’s illegal everywhere else in the galaxy. It’s based on absinthe.”

It is from this article: [1].

Every time I’ve seen it on the show it’s been blue, not green, as quoted in the article, but if someone can find a more reliable source to verify this, I think it would make a good addition.Scaper8 19:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TV/Movie sections gutted

I don't know if the was "santioned" by the higher ups, so I won't just revert it. So, if in a few days nothing is said I will (with some editing to make it cleaner and leaving any possitive addtions added afterward) add the info back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.16.40.18 (talk • contribs).

Wikipedia doesn't really have many higher-ups in the overruling sense, but I am an administrator, if that's what you mean (note that that doesn't make me automatically right in this case, or any other). I removed a great deal of those sections because they were uncited laundry-lists of bare-mention references. Simply appearing in a work is insufficient grounds for inclusion. --Eyrian 19:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean Wikipedia higher ups, I was talking about Ari, Alanmoss, and Kafziel. They've become the big leaders on the absinthe pages.

As for the info I'll look through the removed stuff to see how much was needed, I'll admit it was pretty baddly written but I do think that some of the info can be relevent. Any objections? Scaper8 18:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through it is, of course, your prerogative. But what was removed was removed for good reason. Also, please note that, while everyone's contributions are welcome, nobody owns articles. --Eyrian 18:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the sennentuntschi mention because not only is it a swiss movie (absinthes origin) it also refers to real traditions, albiet rare and bizarre but nevertheless part of alpine folklore. Shame the Sennentuntschi film doesnt have its own wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.96.62 (talk) 12:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This section has been a bit in shambles for awhile. Often people want to add their favorite ____ and don't bother reading through to find if it's already listed, important or where it should go.

Looking at the delete,

I'll provide a citation for the Van Gogh incident, it's important to list as it's a popular story and misconception.
L'Absinthe actually has it's own page and citations for that can be moved over.
Many of the movies need to be added back in. I'll check through them, some can be left out but others, even if they only show absinthe for a few seconds, should be left in because of their impact on popular culture and absinthe.

Afterall, this is absinthe in pop-culture. -- Ari 19:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivial references rarely belong. A movie that references it only once should not be mentioned here. Any such impact is unacceptable unless cited. --Eyrian 19:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

seems a bit strange to have an absinthe in pop culture page with few pop-culture references. Please explain what you consider a valid citation. -- Ari 19:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Note, I added back the to-do list as it refers to the entire group of absinthe articles (spread out over the group to make it more likely someone will notice it and help out) if you would like to remove it, please at least create a new one specific to this page, don't just delete information -- Ari 19:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All information must be cited. If that cannot be done, then the "information" cannot remain. the purpose of this article is not to list every appearance of absinthe in popular works; that's neither informative nor encyclopedic. It's meant to give readers a better understanding of how our culture perceives absinthe, using references to reliable sources. The earlier parts of the article do just that. The laundry-list of bare-mention references doesn't.

The correct way to coordinate across articles like that is generally using a Wikiproject. --Eyrian 19:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then doesn't it seem like a good idea to search for these citations or ask those who might know? No one said it lists every appearance of absinthe in popular works. Again, please tell me what you believe a reliable source would be (for example, would the citation of a movie on a site's definition of absinthe be considered reliable? Or what about a large blog, since we are dealing with pop culture it's not like I can cite a Pubmed article or anything).

I'm not sure there are enough people making edits to warrant the efforts to create wikiproject, so a simpler answer was chosen, however if you think it warrants a wikiproject feel free to make one. -- Ari 19:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reliability is covered in WP:RS. The source would also have to mention the drink more than in passing. It would have to devote significant space to the importance of absinthe in this particular work, and its relevance to the drink's cultural impact. --Eyrian 19:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For example would being many people's first introduction (and thus understanding) to the drink be reasonable enough?

An idea, since few here actually get paid to spend their time editing, and wikipedia is cooperative, would it make sense to provide the basics and then update the citations and total information as found? In other words, does every fact and citation need to be of FA strength to be included? -- Ari 20:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If a reliable source is cited as saying something is most people's first introduction, then yes, that would belong. Some blog saying "this is where I first heard about it" would not. Anecdotal evidence is insufficient. To answer your question about citations: fundamentally, yes. Pseudoinformation from random people is insufficient; using it tarnishes Wikipedia's reputation as a reliable source. All fields have reliable commentators and analysts; both hard sciences and social studies. Use them. --Eyrian 20:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, sounds good, so if I add base information that is known not to be Pseudoinformation by people who have written reliable (and used) sources, with a base citation, both to be upgraded later, that should suit things just fine. Perhaps you can even help out. -- Ari 20:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nine Inch Nail's "Perfect Drug" video shows Trent Reznor preparing himself what cannot be mistaken to be anything but a glass of absinthe (green liquid in a glass, with a transparent solution poured into it through a sugar cube on a spoon...)

also - "From Hell", the movie (don't know about the graphic novel. haven't read it yet) portrays main character (Johnny Depp) preparing an absinthe concoction - altho it's made with "poison" rather than with water. Opium, anybody? :P

84.110.225.10 01:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Close, it's laudanum, an opium tincture. Scaper8 19:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is a book (in German) from 2010 about the influence of Absinthe in movies with a large list of absinthe-movies and some detailed film-analysis, including reviews of "Bram Stokers Dracula" and "Total Eclipse": Jens Radulovic: Die Inszenierung des Absinths im Film, ISBN 978-3-643-10981-1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.226.71.159 (talk) 01:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Changes

OK Guys I have done my part. Some one else can finish the movies and music sections. I think we should make this sub page a model for how to sub page out the large sections of the main article and trim the absinthe entry to a reasonable size. -nightcafe1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightcafe1 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Innacurate Citation

There is a reference in the pop-culture section to the film From Hell and Johnny Depp portraying Fred Abberline as having an absinthe addiction, which states that "in reality" Abberline was addicted to arsenic and strychnine, but the citation actually references James Maybrick as being addicted to arsenic and strychnine, so I'm removing that second bit of it as unfounded.

In fallout New vegas

Absinthe is in the videogame Fallout New vegas as a drinkable item. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.157.59 (talk) 02:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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