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Batman 2021

I am not sure that this film belongs within the DCEU article. There have been no explicit references that this film would be within the DCEU. It might be standalone. Thoughts? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

It’s not a standalone film. It’s a reboot. The history of the DCEU’s incarnation of Batman will restart, since Ben Affleck has been fired. So it’s a soft reboot.

2601:205:4100:AB88:8804:CCB5:9A64:E42E (talk) 03:38, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

An example of a soft reboot is the movie Bumblebee. Soft reboots are only slight reboots. “Bumblebee” barely has any connection to the Transformers franchise, and so it changes some events in that franchise’s universe. “The Batman” might turn out to be like that. 2601:205:4100:AB88:8804:CCB5:9A64:E42E (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the Ben Affleck franchise, though. It started development that way, but that's no longer the case. It's a full reboot. Dark Knight 2149 20:37, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

It might as well be a reboot. “The Batman” is supposed to be the first in a trilogy. 2601:205:4100:AB88:8804:CCB5:9A64:E42E (talk) 16:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Soft reboot? Let's just say it like it is. It's a reboot. There barely even is a DCEU at this point, because WB is focusing more on individual franchises moving forward. We actually need to go into every post-Wonder Woman 1984 DC article and remove "It is the [number] installment in the DC Extended Universe" from the lead, for the reasons mentioned below and at #Page retool. This isn't a matter of "installments" in a shared universe anymore. Dark Knight 2149 10:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

I don’t really understand what you mean. 2601:205:4100:AB88:8804:CCB5:9A64:E42E (talk) 16:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Reeves said it will be. [1] It is an old statement—pre-Justice League and when they were still pretending Affleck was involved—but no reliable source has explicitly stated otherwise, despite how the project appears on the surface. Prefall 07:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

He's actually said it will be DCEU as recently as August 2018, right before he finished the script [2]. The cast is also signed on to reprise their roles in other DCEU films as well. Note that JS has been making similar edits to the Batman in film article, which we've been debating for some time. JOE BRO 64 12:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

It really is unfortunate that we have to adhere to an old tweet that was posted before anything on the film had been started, especially since now that literally every development from the film heavily implies it will have nothing to do with the currently established DCEU. WB really needs to finally confirm its separation so we can move on. FaceOffTournament (talk) 18:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

The reliance on sourcing isn't a suicide pact. If all we have is a single, old tweet, then we cannot allow it undue weight in the article. That is the sum of the problem here; there is no confirmation as to the film being within the DCEU since a tweet that was offered before the first-draft script was even complete. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Did you see the link I posted above? He's said it literally right before he finished the script. I also find it extremely hard to dispute when the actors are all signed on to appear in other DCEU films. People need to stop jumping to conclusions just because the roles are being recast. Batman Forever is still a sequel to Batman Returns even though the main cast was replaced, for instance. JOE BRO 64 18:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Respectfully, you have not provided us with references that support that statement, TheJoeBro. Please link references for the cast members who have been signed to appear in other films. I am sure there is corroborating references from those films as well, right?

Hopefully, you are understanding my issue here. You are taking a few threads and trying to knit it into a suit; we tend to call that synthesis. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/dc-comics-superman-michael-b-jordan-green-lantern-aquaman-birds-of-prey-1203415757/. And no, I'm not "taking a few threads and trying to knit it into a suit." You're outright making up information when I'm providing references that disprove what you're arguing. JOE BRO 64 18:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

And you have not provided us with references that support that statement—what? It is in my post you responded to. JOE BRO 64 18:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Joe, that article literally does not say that The Batman's actors will appear in DC Extended Universe films. It only says they have the option to appear in sequels or spin-offs from The Batman. Also, that Matt Reeves tweet was made a very long time ago. Scripts change. We know he's been working on the script for a while and only recently began production on the film. Again, all of the recent developments have given more evidence that he's since decided to distance his film from the established DCEU continuity and instead begin his own. You are indeed "taking a few threads and trying to knit it into a suit," just like you've been doing with that vague at best sentence about New Gods' (more than likely) inclusion in the DCEU.

Just to be clear, I don't have an issue with The Batman being on this page (although at this point, based on concrete evidence, I have to disagree), but the reasoning just hasn't been strong.FaceOffTournament (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Reeves' two statements may be old, but as far as I'm aware, we have no reliable sources stating that it is separate from the DCEU. Perceptions based on recent developments is not an acceptable alternative. And for the record, I don't think it will be part of the DCEU, but I am still in favor of inclusion until we have confirmation that it won't be connected. Prefall 20:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I think we should no-wiki the Batman 2021 (rendering it invisible in article space) until we have more connective references. If it subsequently gains that connection via references, we can remove the nowiki blocks. If it turns out to be a separate sort of beast, we can decide what to do with the hidden entrant then. thoughts? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:19, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure about hiding it. IMO it should stay until we get concrete evidence that it won't be a DCEU film (although I personally still think it will, like Prefall I have my doubts). When we do get the evidence, I think we should move it into a "repurposed projects" section rather than removing it entirely, similar to what's done at List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films. JOE BRO 64 01:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Look, I know how much work you have put into this, Joe, but we cannot go about proving or disproving a negative. I am not suggesting that we trash the listing; I am suggesting we hide it until (or if) it is definitively going to be within the DCEU. We do not know that it is yet, and none of us here are fortune-tellers. It is not part of the DCEU as of yet, so it cannot remain.

The no-wiki is the best way to go until we have concrete references either way. It is the most elegant solution and protects the article from Synthesis issues. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm still in favor of inclusion. We have two explicit statements from Reeves supporting it being in the DCEU, from 2017 and 2018, but no dissenting statements from reliable sources. It's not misleading to be here in the meantime, nor does it hurt anything—and frankly, people being confused by its status seems to be exactly what WB wants. Prefall 08:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Again, I would disagree. There are references that note - pretty clearly, imo - that - at the most recent writing - the film is not intended to be part of the DCEU (1, 2, 3, 4). Because the film is still in the sorting phase, that might change, but as of now, according to more sources than not, it isn't a DCEU film. To suggest it is misleading, as more sources than not suggest its outside the DCEU.

As such, it is inaccurate to include it in the article; inaccuracy information is why we have admins and other editors, to correct inaccurate information, as it hurts the encyclopedia as a whole.

It is still in the Batman in Film article, and I believe it is still sandboxing its way to mainspace status. It just doesn't belong here, not now. The idea that it might be definitely noted by explicit sources as a part of the DCEU is why I suggested that we hide the entrant for now. The alternative is to remove it entirely. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

WeGotThisCovered isn't reliable, and the others aren't reports, just opinion pieces. I mean, I share the same opinion as them, but that doesn't matter. The only definitive comments we have are from the director. There is nothing stopping them from rebooting/retconning the Batman continuity, yet keeping it connected to the DCEU. Prefall 20:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I asked this elsewhere, but perhaps you could point me to the discussions of precedent that establish WGTC as unreliable?

Additionally most reviews are in fact opinion pieces. If Reeves has not definitively said one way or the other, we are in fact allowed to allow references that interpret their words to influence articles. And - I reiterate - we have zero solid references that this film is part of the DCEU. Until we have statements to the effect that it is, it should not be here. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 01:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

They're not recognized as reliable by WP:FILM/R, which isn't the same as being proven unreliable, but no "exclusive" insider news by them should be used.

We have two explicit statements from Reeves that it is in the DCEU though, which is the whole crux of this discussion. Prefall 01:48, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Not to sound like a broken record, but why not post the text of those sources? I do not think they say what you think they say. And, as for the two sources that you have stated as being "bad", they are not listed as being unreliable on WP:FILM/R. I am trying to understand yur point of view, but you aren;t telling me something that can be verified, Prefall. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:26, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Reeves: "Jeez, what'd I miss, guys...? 😀 Just to be clear: Of COURSE Batman will be part of the D.C. Universe. Batman will be BATMAN... In my comments from a while back about not being part of the DCEU, I was talking about The Batman being a story specifically about Batman… not about the others in the Universe. That it wouldn’t be filled with cameos servicing other stories — that it would be a BATMAN story." — August 2017, [3]

Reeves: "There are ways in which all of this connects to DC, to the DC universe as well. We’re one piece of many pieces so I don’t want to comment on that except to say that I’m focused very specifically on this aspect of the DC world." — August 2018, [4]

Those seem pretty clear to me. Also, WP:FILM/R doesn't list unreliable sources, it just covers sources to avoid with user-submitted content. If it's not considered reliable, then it shouldn't be used for contentious material. Prefall 02:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, those are the same tweets I was referring to as not explicit enough to make the intuitive leap of connection to the DCEU. Allow me to explain:

The first comment notes that "of course" the film will be part of the DC Universe. As we both know, the DCEU is a specific subset of the DCU; not the same thing. By Reeves' definition, The Joker is part of the DCU, but not the DCEU. He pointedly does not address whether the film is part of the DCEU.
The second comment also addressed the connection to the DC Universe or DC world....but not the DCEU.
When I say explicit, it means that Reeves opens his mouth and says (or tweets) that the Batman film he is making is part of the DCEU. There is no confusion in that statement, no wiggle-room. That's what we need to make the argument that the film is within the scope of this article.
Lastly, I have never heard of vetting sources against a comprehensive listing at WikiProject_Film/Resources. I mean, it doesn;t seem a bad idea, but can you guarantee that every single good source is listed there? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:59, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

I think it's worth noting that "DCEU" isn't actually the official name of the universe. I'm pretty sure WB just refers to it as the DC Universe. JOE BRO 64 03:16, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) "DCEU" is not an official term, thus forms of "DCU" often get used in its place. I can probably count on one hand the number of times anyone associated with this franchise has used "DCEU" publicly—that Reeves tweet being one of them. That first statement is clearly him referencing being part of the DCEU, and every source's interpretation of those tweets agree. The second is arguably more vague, but within the context I provided earlier, seems very clearly to be about the film franchise.

Not every good source will be listed there, but we can't (or shouldn't) use contentious material from unvetted sources. To be clear, I'm just referring to "exclusive" inside source stories here. Prefall 03:23, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I am not buying that DCU and DCEU are used interchangeably within the industry; you find no such confusion between the Marvel Universe and the MCU. However, if you are prepared to list where a reliable source explicitly notes where both terms are used interchangeably, I'm open to reconsideration. Until then, let's stop moving the goalposts; being "pretty sure" is simply not good enough. Batman can be within the DC Universe (cartoons, comics, etc.) and still not be within the DCEU.

And with regards to comparing the sources I provided against the list at FILM/R, I have been given to understand that the listing there is not comprehensive; a source does not need to appear there to be considered reliable. Furthermore, there appear to be no issues with either WeGotThisCovered or CheatSheet int he archives of RSN. Does that mean the sources are top notch? I don't know. What is certain is that calling them unreliable because they don't fit a narrative is not going to fly. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:46, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

See the note in the article itself. This is a long-standing branding issue that has never been addressed by WB. The franchise, to this day, has never been officially named.

I am not saying they're unreliable to "fit my narrative". I feel like I need to reiterate that I'm of the opinion that The Batman will not be in the DCEU. I simply do not think that view is definitively reflected in reliable sources (yet). Prefall 17:52, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

These points have likely been made already, but I'll put my two cents forward: Nothing about this project outside of the outdated Reeves source suggests this is still affiliated with the DCEU. Irons is not Alfred anymore, Simmons is not Gordon anymore, Affleck, Johns, Snyder, they're all not involved. I read through the DCEU films and all of them outside of this have some relationship towards previous DCEU films. Rusted AutoParts 03:51, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm with Rusty, here. There is no evidence that officially marks The Batman in the DCEU. Matt Reeves' statements came at a time when he hadn't even casted Robert Pattinson. That only happened last May. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim. --Julian1Seguin8 (talk) 04:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8

Pretty much my point from the beginning. However, the sources are hot mess, and fans are creatively interpreting what is and is not the DCEU. which muddies the editing waters. If something of an official statement comes down excluding Battinson from the DCEU, we will strike it from the article so fast, there will likely be a sonic boom. I don't think it should be there, either, but Prefall is right. The sources are not there, and the push from the fanboyz is extreme. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:29, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

All of the confirmation I have seen of the film taking place in the DCEU is outdated. Dark Knight 2149 20:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC) Likewise, The Suicide Squad doesn't belong in this article because the producer has explicitly stated that it's a reboot (albeit with some returning actors). Even if it's just a soft reboot, there's no evidence that it's tied to the larger DCEU in any way, shape, or form. Idris Elba was also initially cast as Deadshot. Dark Knight 2149 20:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

It's outdated, yes, but we still haven't learned otherwise. Until we do, the status quo should be retained. If it's not in the DCEU, we can easily just remove it. JOE BRO 64 20:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Also re: The Suicide Squad—I don't think we should remove that, either. It can still be a reboot and part of the DCEU, and most stories I've seen seem to suggest it just won't acknowledge the events of the 2016 movie. JOE BRO 64 20:47, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

A reboot, by definition, suggests a different continuity. His exact words were that it was a "total reboot." And that's not how sourcing works. We wait for confirmation before we make a claim. We don't assume based on dated sources and then wait for that assumption to get debunked. The DCEU itself probably won't even exist in its current iteration for much longer. The Batman is almost certainly a reboot, The Suicide Squad is (at the very least) a soft reboot, WB is looking reinvent Superman for modern audiences and Henry Cavill has been reportedly retired by WB, Wonder Woman 1984 has distanced itself from the word sequel, The Flash movie is adapting Flashpoint, and WB has stated that they are focusing more on individual franchises moving forward. Dark Knight 2149 21:02, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Then maybe we need to rethink how we're handling DC's current slate of movies. WB is moving away from the shared universe approach, so that seems to have created a lot of confusion about which movies they're making do take place in the DCEU and which ones don't. So maybe we should completely retool the page? Maybe we should rename the page and make separate sections for DCEU movies, standalones, and future projects. JOE BRO 64 21:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

That seems like the most logical thing to do. Dark Knight 2149 22:20, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Blackhawk

Just a question, why isnt "Blackhawk" movie (on which should Steven Spielberg be working on) in development section? It there wasnt enough evidence for it to be confirmed as part of DCEU?--89.176.201.34 (talk) 15:46, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, it hasn't been confirmed to be part of the DCEU yet. Press releases avoided tying it to the existing universe, and no reports have indicated it will be. JOE BRO 64 16:25, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

January 2020

I am revisiting this topic, as the previous 'consensus' seems to be defunct at this point in time. Previously, the arguments were made that Blackhawk may appear in a DC Black film series - compared to Joker. The filmmaker for Joker has since stated that his pitch to WB was for three separate films, exploring the origins in DC villains in a grounded-context, but that the studio declined his pitch at that time. Additionally, New Gods has since been reportedly by various reliable sources that it is a DCEU film. Besides all of this - there has been zero sources that state Blackhawk is standalone, meanwhile various reliable sources state that it is. On top of all of this, Saïd Taghmaoui has confirmed his involvement with Spielberg's film after previously appearing in Wonder Woman. What I am saying is that the previous consensus/discussion, is out of date/incorrect. It has been added several times (by me) to the upcoming list of films, but it continues to be reverted. This needs to be addressed. @Prefall:, @TheJoebro64:, @89.176.201.34 -- what is your argument? Also, we may want to bring in additional editors that have been contributing to this article.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 17:18, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Taghmaoui didn't confirm his involvement; all he did was tweet a picture of a news story about Blackhawk. That isn't confirmation at all. At best, he might be teasing some sort of involvement, but it's entirely possible he's just excited for the movie. JOE BRO 64 17:25, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Also the consensus being "out of date" doesn't mean we should add it back. If there's consensus already in place, per WP:CONSENSUS and WP:STATUSQUO that remains in place until it's overridden by a new consensus. JOE BRO 64 17:27, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

If you read his comments within his social media post, someone commented on his involvement as being the Blackhawk in the titular film, and he responds with "I hope it will be that easy". There is clearly negotiations ongoing. Beyond that, again there are zero sources that state it is not DCEU, while there are various reliable sources that do.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 17:30, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I get what you're saying, but that's WP:SYNTH. It's based on your interpretation of the tweets. Unless he explicitly says "Yeah, I'm going to be in Blackhawk," it remains vague. See WP:STICKTOSOURCE. JOE BRO 64 17:35, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: It's a plain as the actor responding to the comments and acknowledging them as fact. Besides that, again - the actor's comments alone don't explain what's going on. The fact that all the other sources I included state that Blackhawk is DCEU is what tells us that Taghmaoui is confirming his role.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. That's pure WP:OR. JOE BRO 64 12:37, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

...where am I missing the speculation? I want to return to the fact that I have stated multiple times now: VARIOUS reliable sources has stated this is a DCEU movie. There are none that state it is not. That is my main argument.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:57, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

No, they don't. We still have no concrete confirmation Blackhawk is a DCEU film. JOE BRO 64 12:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: "they don't", according to what source? Vanity Fair Hollywood, The Wrap, HuffPost (formerly "The Huffington Post") all state that it's DCEU. They each call it the "DC Universe" state he joins the DC Universe, discuss other DCEU recent directors, and even state that it will be seen of the Blackhawks interact with Superman an Wonder Woman... pretty clear that it's DCEU.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 00:31, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

But the official announcement of the film didn't say it would be part of the film universe, and trade reports from THR, Variety, Deadline, etc. explicitly avoided tying it to the DCEU. And you're making some pretty wild claims (they'll interact with Superman and Wonder Woman, really? How can that even happen if the film's set in WWII?) without backing them up. JOE BRO 64 00:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Just a few points of clarity:

there is aboslutely no such thing as a DC "Black" film. The DC Black Label refers to comics only, and it is getting pretty annoying that peopke keep trying to play Sherlock and sneakily try to connect them.
Unless a source from the studio is utterly unambiguous about whether a film is or is not in the DCEU - a term that apparently is so vague that not even the various directors of DC films know when or if to apply it - we do not make those connections. In the absence of explicitly stating that the film is connected to other films, it is not in the DC Extended Universe. Sources that try to look smart by connecting stuff up is not going to be enough. The only sources we should actively be seeking are from the people in production (actors, crew and studio).
We are NOT IN A HURRY. There is no rush to get this information out there. Half of these sources are mere musings, informed guesses and outright marketing propaganda; hardly the sourts of material we should be using in a Wikipedia article. Wait until sources are solid. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jack Sebastian: A couple of things:

1. "DC Black" was also the word that Todd Phillips was using for his proposed (and rejected) line of DC Comics character studies.

2. I agree with all of your other points.

Could you please vote below at #Page retool. Not only does this page need to be merged with DC Films and completely restructured so that we're not making unsubstantiated claims about future films, but "DC Extended Universe" also needs to be removed from a few of the upcoming DC movie articles. For example, The Suicide Squad (film) has been explicitly stated by the producer to be a "full on reboot" (his words) with some returning actors, yet the article claims that it's a straight sequel to the 2016 film set in the DC Extended Universe. There's literally nothing to back that up with, besides outdated sources from earlier in the film's development from before James Gunn took over. Dark Knight 2149 07:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@Darkknight2149: this is completely inaccurate. Actors, as was stated above have stated that it is connected to the previous film. It is merely, not a direct-sequel. It is a continuation for the previous film.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 20:10, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Also - the reliability of Deadline, Variety, and The Hollywood Reporter is now in question?? That sounds like an argument for another article's talk-page. If you have problems with them, @Jack Sebastian: you should be discussing them elsewhere. There are no statements from anyone involved that the DCEU is over/abondoned etc. Quite the contrary. WW84, Birds of Prey, Suicide Squad, Aquaman 2, Shazam 2, Black Adam, The Flash -- ALL have direct ties to previous movies. Calling The Batman into question, when its sole filmmaker has stated that it is connected to the DCEU is frankly, quite ridiculous.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 20:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

The only sources stating that are from before James Gunn took over. The film's producer has directly stated that this movie is a reboot (which outweighs any statements from paid actors) and James Gunn has avoided the question entirely. Idris Elba was also intitially cast as Deadshot. There is no evidence that The Suicide Squad has anything to do with the DCEU, just as there is no evidence that The Batman is still a DCEU prequel. Unless you can substantiate your position, there is no reason not to treat The Suicide Squad any differently from Mad Max: Fury Road, The Incredible Hulk (film), Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, or any of the other soft reboots that have hit the market. Dark Knight 2149 20:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

I'd suggest differentiating between upcoming films that we know with 100% certainty occupy the shared franchise that was started with Man of Steel (BoP, WW1984, The Flash, and the sequels to Aquaman and Shazam) and everything else.DigificWriter (talk) 17:39, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

WB simply isn't following the shared universe model anymore. Besides Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman 1984 (which both come out this year and began development years ago), none of them should be claimed to be "installments" in a shared universe unless something changes closer to release. Even if specific DCEU films receive a follow-up, that doesn't necessarily mean that there's still a shared universe. Dark Knight 2149 19:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Aquaman: King of Atlantis TV Show

Should we add the newly announced "Aquaman: King of Atlantis" animated show? Because it seems like it's part of the DCEU, considering it's synopsis says that it takes place during Arthur's first days as King, and it's being produced by James Wan, the director of Aquaman (2018) Skyshot16 (talk) 11:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

This animated show, is not a part of the DCEU. Wan serving as a director, is likely due to the critical/financial reception to the Aquaman film. Nothing more. For example, he also produced Swamp Thing but that show as not related to the film universe.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 19:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

I am unsure where you are arriving at the conclusion that the film is not part of the DCEU. Please provide a reference explicitly' noting that the series is not. The opinion of editors regarding events is unusable as sources and therefore is unusable in discussions here, as it presumes facts that can not be substantiated. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 07:56, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jack Sebastian: What I meant by my statement is that the series has not been called/referred to in any source as DCEU.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 17:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

That is the way to express that, DisneyMetalhead, not as part of a deductive reasoning. :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:10, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Why should we assume an animated show is part of a DC live-action film series? SeanWheeler (talk) 03:47, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Similar to how there have been tie-in comics and books for the DCEU. We can't assume anything right now, but when the show is officially revealed we will have more to go off of. For example, if Aquaman and Mera in the show are clearly cartoon versions of Jason Momoa and Amber Heard, then it very well could be a tie-in to the DCEU. Popfox3 (talk) 16:51, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Once the show is released, we can more accurately make observations regarding this. Alternatively, should Warner Bros. Pictures reveal its status - one way or another, we can move forward at that point. Cheers, my friends. --DisneyMetalhead (talk) 17:54, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Even if Aquaman and Mera are clearly designed after Jason Mamoa and Amber Heard, it could be like when some of Marvel's cartoons are inspired by the Marvel Cinematic Universe but aren't tied to the MCU. Wonder Woman's outfit in the Prime Earth comics has been changed to resemble Gal Gadot. So we need more than just a picture of a Polynesian Aquaman for a confirmation. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

True! I actually hadn't thought of that. Given your example, the only way we will definitely know is if James Wan or someone else in authority directly confirms it's a tie-in. I think it is a possibility that they will use it as a tie-in/promotion for Aquaman 2 given the synopsis, but we'll see. Popfox3 (talk) 03:05, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

An official reference, for which are part of "DCEU", and which are not.

You can see here: https://www.dccomics.com/tags/dceu. This page list all articles that DC put a "dceu" tag on them. We can see Aquaman, Shazam!, Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman 1984 and Black Adam, but we can't see Joker. As for The Suicide Squad (2021) and The Batman, there hasn't been any articles about them on the DC Comics official website yet, so at this moment we cannot judge by this. Cirolchou (talk) 07:11, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

For what it's worth, here is the Publisher and Chief Creative Officer for DC Comics (Jim Lee), both calling the franchise "the DC Extended Universe" and stating that upcoming movies "in the universe" are indeed: Wonder Woman 1984, The Batman, The Suicide Squad, and Black Adam by name (ref).--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 02:07, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Just saw that User:Prefall mentioned this above.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 02:07, 2 March 2020 (UTC)