Talk:DOS Navigator

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Maxim Masiutin (talk · contribs)

NDN - Necromancer's DOS Navigator

It would be good if someone who knows how created a wiki link to this article from Necromancer's DOS Navigator. It would be OK if most all the NDN material was moved there, but it also makes just as much sense to leave all the DN versions combined in one article like this for now.69.87.193.72 22:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have set up a redirect, so Necromancer's DOS Navigator redirects to this article now.--Commander Keane 23:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Directory Sizes

In NDN, ALT-G calculates and displays the size of the selected directory; CTRL-G does them all. But the sizes go away if you go into a directory and come back out. And if you use ALT-S to try to turn on the display of directory length (sizes), it locks up -- perhaps it is stupidly trying to scan the entire drive?

Isn't there ANY file manager that allows you to turn on the distplay of directory sizes and still works usefully? (Yes, I know things can get bogged down if you try to show "too much" -- but the user should be in control of such choices. Seeing/comparing folder sizes is VERY useful! GaugeIt and spacemonger are great tools, but it would be most handy to have this function well integrated with a general-purpose file manager.) 69.87.193.54 17:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if it'll help, but ALWAYS try to use the latest beta. :)

http://ndn.muxe.com/beta.php

Armslurp 17:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

License?

subj. Did they close sources of their DN branch? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.141.123.133 (talk) 22:04, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect case in the product name - Request to move the page

The Wikipedia article uses an incorrect case for the product name. The product is named "Dos Navigator", not "DOS Navigator". See https://www.dev0.de/pix/dn151lfnbeta3.png You can also download the product from its official page https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/dn/ to figure out that the correct name is "Dos Navigator", not "DOS Navigator". --Maxim Masiutin (talk)

Requested move 23 April 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DOS Navigator → Dos Navigator – Incorrect case in the product name, see the talk page; the authors of the product use name "Dos Navigator", not "DOS Navigator" - see official page https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/dn/ - download the sources and see inside (e.g. readme) or run binaries or find screenshots in the Internet with the about box Maxim Masiutin (talk) 09:54, 23 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. _signed,511KeV ^(talk) 15:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Title is clearly about DOS which is capitalized. While it is unclear if it passes WP:GNG, the title seems correct as-is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article is not about "DOS" which is a Disk Operating System. The article is about a product which the developers called "Dos Navigator" deliberately to avoid misinterpretation, it is "Dos Navigator", not a "Disk Operating System Navigator" or "DOS Navigator". "Dos Navigator" is a name chosen by the developers. You cannot alter the name. "Dos" is a proper name https://www.babycenter.com/baby-names/details/dos-599105 , not an abbreviation. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 16:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can also see a screenshot of the About box to see the correct case: See https://www.dev0.de/pix/dn151lfnbeta3.png Maxim Masiutin (talk) 16:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please also consider looing at the following pages dated back 1997:

https://web.archive.org/web/19971012215754/www.ritlabs.com/dn/

https://web.archive.org/web/19971012205909/http://www.ritlabs.com/dn/download.html

https://web.archive.org/web/19971012205946/http://www.ritlabs.com/dn/register.html

-- Maxim Masiutin (talk) 16:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ultimately I don't see convincing evidence why it would be named after the Spanish number and not... what it is literally about. Unless there is literally something explaining why, I'd say it's more likely a typo. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Zxcvbnm. Some of the cited sources (see here and here and here and here) use "DOS" for this subject at least some of the time, which is the more conventional styling of "DOS". Wikipedia doesn't give priority on such matters to authors of a work. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you gave are the mostly about derived works like DN/2, Necromancer's DOS Navigator. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the official website unambiguously and consistently says the product name is "Dos Navigator" in sentence case. Mitch Ames (talk) 03:30, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Software has been notified of this discussion. _signed,511KeV ^(talk) 15:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Most of the sources, most particularly the authors themselves, seem to use the form "Dos Navigator". The fact that the operating system is named DOS and not Dos does not affect this - DOS and Dos Navigator are separate products. JIP | Talk 22:39, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:ACRO and MOS:TM. We capitalize acronyms, and we do not bend our style rules to suit the logo font treatment of companies (it's Sony and Macy's not "SONY" and "macy^★s"). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SMcCandlish: Do you mean "Oppose"? You said "Support", but your comments suggest that you oppose the move. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Right! Corrected to "Oppose". — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:35, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an acronym in this context - it's the name of the product. In the absence of anything that specifically says the product is called "Disk Operating System Navigator", any assertion that "Dos/DOS" is an acronym is WP:SYN. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is a stretch, to say the least...however, after looking at the archived official release announcement or whatever it was, I am neutral on this one. "Dos" very clearly DOES refer to DOS (the very first sentence, from the software developer, "Dos Navigator is a DOS shell..."), and DOS is an acronym; however, it is also correct to say that the NAME of THIS product is "Dos Navigator", and we do often accomodate the quirky cap styles of various softwares, e.g. macOS, the various Unix utilities in all lowercase, Unix itself being sometimes Unix and other times UNIX, depending on the specific context... et cetera... SirTramtryst (talk) 18:12, 5 May 2022 (UTC) - see Special:Permalink/1086850676 ASUKITE 17:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
quirky cap styles — Title case is not a "quirky cap style" - it's perfectly normal for something that the developer has chosen to call "Dos ..." (not "Disk Operating System ..."). Mitch Ames (talk) 00:26, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per MOS:ACRO and survey of sources used in article. Clearly refers to DOS. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:50, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Even if the name refers to DOS the name can still be "Dos Navigator". The creator of the product is free to name their product in any way they want. JIP | Talk 10:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, we often do not defer to product creators when choosing how to refer to the product, and especially in matters of styling such as capitalization. See WP:OFFICIALNAME / MOS:TM / WP:TITLETM. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:58, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still seeing it capped as an acronym in independent sources used in the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:55, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

License is not BSD 3-clause

This article incorrectly states in two places (info box and a section on the license) that the license is BSD 3-clause. While the license does have "3 clauses", the third one appears to be an advertising clause like the third clause of the infamous BSD 4-clause license. I downloaded the "Dos Navigator 1.51 sources (926K)" from https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/dn/ This is the last clause:

> 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: "Based on Dos Navigator by RIT Research Labs."

"BSD-3-Clause" is generally understood as a BSD license with the advertising clause dropped which this isn't. I didn't compare the entire license text outside this clause but I don't think it's the same as the well-known BSD-3-Clause either.

Further, the license contains a sort of copyleft notice in that it forbids changing the license of derivatives, specifically targeted against combining the work with works under the GNU GPL:

> The licence and distribution terms for any publically available version or derivative of this code cannot be changed. i.e. this code cannot simply be copied and put under another distribution licence (including the GNU Public Licence).

I believe this is the text used by FASM as well, or at least similar to it. I don't know where it originated though. 176.1.243.148 (talk) 18:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]