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"Entered the Jesuits"

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What does that mean? He isn't a priest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.250.141.254 (talk) 19:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I take issue with this: "Schutte grew up in Elm Grove, Wisconsin and graduated from Marquette University High School before entering the Society of Jesus.". "Society of Jesus"? No! He "became a Jesuit". You want to make it sound like he's into some freaky stuff. When in reality, he's doing something AWESOME: becoming a jesuit. Phrase it like that, you godless apes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ordy823 (talk • contribs) 09:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Politically correct versions

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Came across a PC version of "Blest be the Lord" today. It seems several of Schutte's hymns have been subjected to PC re-write. In this particular example all references to "men" have been expunged. Is this a general thing or is it just apparent in the UK? Does Schutte condone it, I wonder, and is it worth mentioning in the article? 31.52.166.41 (talk) 21:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]


I think you would need alot more information before it would be appropriate to put in the article User 31.52.166.41. You would need to know the publisher and the background of the change. For example the hymn "Yahweh, I know You are Near" was affected by the 2008 Vatican directive on the name of God (Yahweh) in the sacred liturgy. (specifically, the word “Yahweh” may no longer be “used or pronounced” in songs and prayers during liturgical celebrations), so Dan's song is now called "You are Near" and he had to re-write the lyrics. The line "Yahweh, I know you are near" was changed to "O Lord, I know you are near." The directive affected the following OCP songs:
And the Father Will Dance (Carey Landry)
Como Busca la Cierva (Xavier Gonzales Tescuano)
Como Por Las Fuentes de Agua (Perla Moré)
El Rey De La Gloria (Aldo Blanco Dávalos)
I Lift Up my Soul (Tim Manion)
I Love You, Lord/Te Amo, Señor (Julie and Tim Smith)
In Praise of His Name (Roc O’Connor)
Let the King of Glory Come (Michael Joncas)
Like a Seal on Your Heart (Carey Landry)
Me Alegré (Carlos Rosas)
¿Quién Eres Tú, Peregrino? (P. Luis Larrea and Mauricio Centeno)
Sing a New Song (Dan Schutte)
The Lord is King (Rory Cooney)
Tu Eres Mi Hijo (Patricio Gómez Junco)
You are Near (Dan Schutte)
Yahweh (now titled "God of My Salvation") (Gregory Norbet)
Yahweh Is My Shepherd (now titled "Shepherd of My Soul") (Millie Rieth)
Yahweh, The Faithful One (now titled "The Faithful One") (Dan Schutte)
So before the change you observed can be mentioned on the page, you need to find this kind of official documentation regarding the change of lyrics. If somebody changes the lyrics without permission, that is not worth mentioning on the page, but you could report it to OCP as a copyright violation. Taram (talk) 18:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Name of God usage or non-usage explanation from Oregon Catholic Press: "The decision was based on long-standing Jewish and Christian traditions of not pronouncing the divine name wherever it occurs in the biblical text."Taram (talk) 18:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Taram, thanks for replying. The changes I refer to all appear in hymn books published by Kevin Mayhew in the UK. I think they are the biggest publisher of such works in this part of the world. The 'PC' changes are many, and most annoying when, for instance, a word is dropped from the lyrics, which then get awkwardly out of step with the music. I don't know if Mayhew has permission to make the changes, and he might even hold some of the copyrights. Good references for this would, I think be difficult, and even comparing versions could be considered synthesis. A quick Google search came up with this [1] 31.52.162.29 (talk) 19:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello User 31.52.166.41, I am afraid I just don't see an example of what you are describing in the links you provided. You could write OCP or Dan at his Facebook page and ask if he has authorized word changes in publications in Britain. That would be firsthand research on your part which WP would not accept, but maybe they could point you to examples of songs where the changes were made if that was done on the up-and-up.Taram (talk) 04:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how much it will aid in this discussion, but I came across this: No More Yahweh, which clearly shows Schutte himself was involved in reworking the lyrics in at least this one instance. Also noting that some of the "PC" revisions date back quite a ways. The original version of Blest Be the Lord included the words "He will release me from the nets of sinful men", which was originally released on A Dwelling Place in 1976, but by 1980 had been revised to "He will release me from the nets all my foes". This is but one of several that have been revised due to gender bias - another that comes to mind is Suzanne Toolan's "I Am the Bread of Life". --mwalimu59 (talk) 17:34, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Homosexual church politics?

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What about this, used as a RS in another WP article? : Sanchez, Mary (2018-03-19). ""Militant" anti-gay activist seeks to divide Catholic flock". Dayton Daily News. Retrieved 2019-02-26. 

The man himself is less welcome. The renowned composer has been disinvited from a scheduled April 28 concert. That alone is shocking, as the lyrical, soothing tones of his work are heard in churches nationwide. The reasons for his disinvitation differ depending on whom you wish to believe...

Etc. Zezen (talk) 08:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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