Talk:Danish art/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Need for contributions

I have now been working on the article for about two weeks and am rather surprised to see that no one else has participated in the editing. This is a pity because much more work could be done, especially in regard to modern and contemporary art. I look forward to volunteers. As for assessment, although I speak for myself, I would rate the current version as Class B.-Ipigott (talk) 15:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It needs something on earlier periods. I know very little about Danish art, but it presumably is part of Viking art, itself the last flourishing of Migration Period art. Aren't some of the famous recovered Viking ships from Denmark? Runestones etc? Presumably, like the rest of Scandinavia, there are many more surviving medieval church frescos and roods than in most of Europe. In the later Middle Ages it essentially was part of the North German/Hanseatic scene - did Bernt Notke work there? You might mention Caspar David Friedrich, a key link taking Danish Golden Age painting into Germany. The Trundholm sun chariot, Gundestrup cauldron & Golden Horns of Gallehus should certainly be there, though of course division by modern borders is rather afticial at this time. See the National Musaeum website, which should certainly be linked to. You don't even mention mention Bertel Thorvaldsen, who had a European reputation in his own lifetime no other Danish artist has equalled, though he's now out of fashion. You should try to explain what characterizes the Golden Age. Johnbod (talk) 19:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your suggestions. I have in fact spent quite some time on the medieval frescos you mention - see Church frescos in Denmark and related articles - but I'll start to look at some of the other areas you mention. I am, by the way, fully aware that scupture with Thorvaldsen, etc., needs to be addressed too. I'll get back to you at a later date.Ipigott (talk) 21:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok - the frescos article is nice. I'll watch this one. Johnbod (talk) 23:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. As you might have seen from the talk page, I am having difficulty is identifying authoritative English-language sources. Perhaps you can help? Do you think the article would qualify for DYK? If so, please feel free to suggest it. For example, "Did you know that almost all of the medieval frescos in churches throughout Denmark were hidden for centuries under coats of whitewash?" - Ipigott (talk) 10:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The academic painter Carl Heinrich Bloch's religious works are still very popular with Mormons & others, & he deserves a mention. What other late 19th century artists there were I don't know - I see you have some. Really you need a new section for 1850 until true modernism hits - the current heading doesn't match the first bits of content. Johnbod (talk) 16:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

This was the period of national romanticism which I have covered to some extent in the section on Skagen and Funen. But I'll try to add something for the last half of the 19th century - in chronological order. You'll see I now have included several of the other items you mention but I am not too happy about the Golden Horns as the originals were lost and the copies in the National Museum are not necessarily good reproductions. Thanks for your continued interest.-Ipigott (talk) 13:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Great link!

Ipigott, I stumbled over THIS great link, I don't know if you're already familiar with it. I guess pretty much everything this article needs to cover is in there — prêt à manger! Both good for getting an idea about what to include here and useful for work on other related articles. I don't know if I should just add some bits and pieces myself or if we should do it the same way as with the architecture article? I will some up with some more detailed comments later but right now I'm thinking that design and architecture should be left for other articles to cover — to leave room for expansion (and splitting up) of the other sections. And that Olafur Eliasson needs to be mentioned in the contemporary section.Ramblersen (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Eliasson has now been included but we need more on contemporary art. The website is unfortunately no longer reliable.Ipigott (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes the link was only for the older periods. Of more contemporary names, Per Kirkeby should no doubt be included. As should Peter Bonde, John Kørner and Tal R. Probably also Troels Wörsel, Elmgreen and Dragset, Jeppe Hein and Jesper Just. Or Christian Lemmerz. I would have a hard time writing something qualified about most of these names though (the majority don't really appeal to me). Oh and Per Arnoldi has had quite a few international assignments though I would more consider him a graphic designer. But he has colaborated with Norman Foster a number of times, including on the Police Monument in London. But these are the first names that jumps to mind.Ramblersen (talk) 19:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

THIS link mentions the following artists as the most interesting contemporary Danish artists from an international point of view: Olafur Eliasson, Henrik Plenge Jakobsen, Peter Land, Tal R, Simone Aaberg Kærn, Jeppe Hein, Henrik Olesen and Michael Elmgreen/Ingar Dragset. And among the newcomers: Simon Dybbro Møller, Pernille Kapper Williams and Tue Greenford.Ramblersen (talk) 17:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Well we certainly have a whole series of names to follow up here. As I seem to be nearing the end of what you call my "tour de force" on photography, I'll try to get back to art in the not too distant future. I was also thinking of having a go at Cinema of Denmark. It's one of Denmark's greatest contributions to culture, yet the article is really not up to standard: very few references, lack of detail, little news of recent developments, etc. But of course if you would like to make a start on contemporary artists, please go ahead. -- Ipigott (talk) 09:00, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I've now included a few of these of the basis of popularity (page view stats on existing articles). Thanks for your help. -- Ipigott (talk) 13:10, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Scope of this article

Why is this article apparently meant only to be about visual arts? It should as a minimum include also the plastic arts. Also I think there is too much of an emphasis on history - I think the focus should be the contemporary period and the golden age, and the earlier periods should be covered briefly in a history section that links to the specific periods. Especially in the bronze age period the label "danish art" is anachronistic since there was no Danes and no "Denmark" in this period.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 18:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

"Art" = visual art, on WP & generally in English. Many countries have "Arts of ..." articles covering music cinema etc also. Or that is summarized in "Culture of...". Yes, the plastic arts should be covered, and are. I don't agree re the general layout - of course you are welcome to add more. I think the context in Nordic art is adequately conveyed - one might also ask how much sense it makes to talk of "Danish art" in today's international art scene. People like to know what art was made in modern countries in early periods before that country existed, as well as today when national styles hardly exist. Johnbod (talk) 08:20, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I dont think so. Also I dont think art=visual art in English - "the arts" generally include literature, music, stage and visual and plastic arts. As for the historical scope, I think readers come to this article to learn about the art scene in Denmark, not in Bronze age Scandinavia - Bronze age art is not for example for sale at art markets, it is never included in art exhibitions - because it is considered part of history and archeology, not art. That is why we should focus on art from the Golden age onwards which most books on Danish art also do. It also should also have a section on art Museums - which would not include archeological-historical museums.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 17:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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