Talk:David D. Burns

How to cite Burns as source?

This information is from David D. Burns, although I compiled and posted it. Could someone suggest how to properly cite Burns as the source? Cate108 00:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Feelinggood.com used to have a "Ask the Guru" section, and a lot of it has been archived by http://web.archive.org/ so I have been bookmarking a lot of the sites. You can find them at http://del.icio.us/deanknows/ under various categories.

By the way, Burns talks a lot about striving for success. One way he says it can be achieved is by narrowing your field, whether you are a student or already out of school, but narrowing it down to something very specific, and then becoming the best in that narrow area. I wish he would write more on this matter.

Trivia

The film Shop Girl starring Claire Danes and Steve Martin happens to show a shot of character Jeremy (Jason Schwartzman) reading Burns' book "Intimate Connections" at the point in the plot where Jeremy is trying to reform himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulsheer (talk • contribs) 10:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Books

I can't find the 'Time-Life Inc' books on the internet. Do they exist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.173.195.62 (talk) 06:33, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

NPOV

I find this article to be problematic with respect to its tone and style...it has a lot of weasel words like "classic", "famous", and "pioneer" -- given without reference, and reads as being overly promotional. That said, I think Burns' book "Feeling Good" is great--and the science seems to back this up...which makes the overly POV and promotional language of this page all the more unnecessary and detrimental. I've started a little cleanup and I'd invite people to do some more...and whoever is responsible for writing this stuff originally, I'd encourage you to read about WP:NPOV and the section on weasel words. Burns may have made awesome contributions to therapy and written a really great book that has helped tons of people (including me), but...it's important to maintain the quality of our encyclopedia here. This article needs better sources and it needs a more neutral tone. Cazort (talk) 01:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

T.E.A.M. Therapy

It seems that DB's style of therapy has evolved from classical CBT to something he calls T.E.A.M. Therapy, which he claims "delivers high-speed, lasting change for a wide variety of emotional and interpersonal problems." More info on it can be found at http://www.teamtherapytraining.com. This fact seems relevant. It would probably be appropriate for T.E.A.M. Therapy to be mentioned in this Wikipedia article. But I'm not sure how you'd mention it without appearing to advertise his DVDs, which would be inappropriate. So I'll leave it to others to determine the best course. -Patrick, 26 March 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.108.195 (talk) 12:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I read his previous books, and then "feeling great". His claims that he can heal someone who has suffered depression for years in one session does not seem plausible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19b:b00:32a0:14a:7036:47df:de3 (talk) 02:26, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

He does mention several times in his podcasts how implausible it sounds. But the technique is well-developed and meaningful, and while it does take the therapist many years of training and practice to use skillfully (he practised it for 40 years), I do see the rationality in why it would work. The technique (really a basic framework combined with a large set of methods) is rational, makes sense and is well explained.

Imagine if we didn't know how to relocate a dislocated shoulder, because we didn't really understand what goes on inside the body. People would go for years with a dislocated shoulder, in a lot of pain, almost completely disabling them. Then finally someone comes along and shows how to relocate it. It would at first sound implausible because nobody could do that before (say a dislocated shoulder could only be somewhat treated with painkillers, massage, and exercise). But it would also make total sense when it is explained what is being done, how it simply solves the problem in a single session, and how relapses are absolutely expected but with clear instructions on what to do to relocate again.

I believe the issue with TEAM is mostly that it is really hard for the therapists to master the technique, but better training could improve on that. --Jhertel (talk) 13:37, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Burns says, "I'll bet you think this sounds too good to be true." That isn't evidence — it's a sales technique used to undermine reasonable doubt.

Burns is a popularizer of cognitive therapy, which was developed and researched by others. That doesn’t thereby justify his incredible claims about a supposed theoretical revolution in psychotherapy for which he has hasn’t received a single endorsement from a disinterested party qualified to judge. All of the praise on his latest book appears to be from his students and those with a financial interest in promoting his approach to therapy. (That praise was also duplicated both inside and outside the book to create the appearance of significant support.)

The T.E.A.M.-CBT section therefore needs a rewrite or even removal. There is as yet no empirical support for his claims of a single-session cure clinical depression, PTSD, etc. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but he’s provided none. All he has is anecdotes, and the plural of anecdote is not data. Not only is there nothing in T.E.A.M.-CBT that isn’t found in other forms of therapy, but even more incredible is the fact that he has a supposed miracle cure which is only taken seriously by himself and his students. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is and all the debater’s tricks in the world won’t rescue his claims until he starts getting research on this published and replicated. Lajjaasu (talk) 14:34, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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