Talk:Deçan

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A chrisobull of the Serbian Tsar Stefan Dušan that was given to the Monastery of Saint Mihail and Gavril in Prizren between the years of 1348-1353 states the presence of Albanians in the Plains of Dukagjin, and Albanians were mentioned as farmers in the great feud of Deçan. Entire Albanian villages were gifted by Serbian kings, particularly Stefan Dušan, as presents to the Serbian monastery of Deçan, as well as those of Prizren and Tetova. Serbian historian Stanojević would discover that, in the charters of Deçan, there were several cases where a father had an Albanian name and his son would have a Serbian name. This highlights the process of the Slavic assimilation of Albanians in these areas during the reign of the various Serbian emperors.

I have removed the text as it does not relate to the history of the town of Deçan itself in any manner. Some of the text has been recycled from the page Botushë and similar text can be found in Demographic history of Kosovo. I do not see the purpose of having this text added to random pages, when it rests rightfully within the page Demographic history of Kosovo. In addition, the sentence This highlights the process of the Slavic assimilation of Albanians in these areas during the reign of the various Serbian emperors. falls under WP:EXTRAORDINARY, given that there is only one historian and one citation attached to the sentence. If you feel that this removal is undue or has the opportunity to be significantly reworded, please discuss. ElderZamzam (talk) 04:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

• The passage, A chrisobull of the Serbian Tsar Stefan Dušan that was given to the Monastery of Saint Mihail and Gavril in Prizren between the years of 1348-1353 states the presence of Albanians in the Plains of Dukagjin, and Albanians were mentioned as farmers in the great feud of Deçan. Entire Albanian villages were gifted by Serbian kings, particularly Stefan Dušan, as presents to the Serbian monastery of Deçan, as well as those of Prizren and Tetova. Serbian historian Stanojević would discover that, in the charters of Deçan, there were several cases where a father had an Albanian name and his son would have a Serbian name. This highlights the process of the Slavic assimilation of Albanians in these areas during the reign of the various Serbian emperors., is entirely relevant. There is no reason to remove it whatsoever. The following are why it's relevant:

1. It mentions Albanians in the Plains of Dukagjin, particularly as farmers in the great feud of Deçan (probably some sort of traditional Albanian blood fued). Deçan is specifically named, and it corresponds to the Plains of Dukagjin.
2. The monastery of Deçan (which quite obviously is part of Deçan) is specifically mentioned as one of the Serbian monasteries which were gifted Albanian villages as fiefs.
3. The charters of Deçan (which, once again, quite obviously refer to Deçan); there really isn't more to be said. It's literally the charters of Deçan.

So, to sum it up, this passage of text is entirely relevant to the article. Your claim that a section of the passage is WP:EXTRAORDINARY is wrong, there are multiple sources which discuss the same thing, and can be cited if need be. You've gone ahead and reverted me under the pretext of "Justification for this removal made in the talk page", but there is really no justification here. Just because you don't like the content of a credible source, it does not mean you can remove it, and I'd suggest you stopped deleting relevant, cited passages for no good reason. There is no significant opportunity for rewording here, because nothing needs to be reworded beyond this text. Facts are facts, they must not be rewritten to suit the agendas of Wikipedia editors. Botushali (talk) 06:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I have provided valid reasons but you have chosen to make grand claims that I have a hidden agenda. I never said that I didn't like the content, my argument is that it doesn't belong on this page as it belongs elsewhere. Significant content would need to be added in order to discuss how Great feud of Deçan, Monastery of Deçan and Charters of Deçan relates specifically to the history of the city itself. This wouldn't be necessary as pages such as the Culture of Deçan and Visoki Dečani exist where content can be added, case in point the entire history of the Visoki Dečani monastery itself doesn't appear on this page because the majority of it doesn't relate to the city itself. Even if you found a multitude of sources for the statement that Slavic assimilation of Albanians in these areas during the reign of the various Serbian emperors., it still wouldn't be appropriate to add to this page. Unless the sources specifically state that Albanians of the city of Deçan itself experienced such assimilation and in turn, documented their experience. ElderZamzam (talk) 11:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

How does it belong exclusively elsewhere when it is talking about Deçan and the history of the area? In fact, there is one line about the monastery of Deçan in the article's passage of Serb presence, hence why it is apparent that there is some sort of agenda. The great feud of Deçan is literally a feud that happened in the town by the looks of it, and the monastery of Deçan is literally part of the town and plays an integral role in it's history - they are both very relevant. The charters of Deçan are very much relevant too, considering they are important primary sources found in the town on the demographic history of the region and Kosovo in general. I already have other sources for the statement above - in fact, one of them discusses Deçan and the surrounding villages in general such as Isniq. Actually, relevant information needs to be added on other related pages too, thanks for the reminder. Botushali (talk) 02:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Name: all variants, nationalisms be damned

Conflict or not, this is an encyclopedia. The place was known for centuries under its Slavic/Serbian name, simply erasing it is not an option on Wiki and it throws a horrible light on the Kosovan and Albanian editors.

On Wiki, relevant name variants always belong in the first sentence of the article. Not in footnotes. It is a sign of stupidity to fight one's wars in encyclopedias.

For now I have added the necessary clarification at least in the History section:

Dečani (Serbian name), today known by its Albanian name, Deçan

Please try to use some reason and accept the civilised norms. Arminden (talk) 12:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Typical Albanian: You have removed my edit without offering any reason, not even a meaningless ("take it or leave it") edit summary.

Please see

1. my edit summary.
2. the arguments here-above.
3. read Dečani chrysobulls, which is what the sentence in case refers to. So not Deçan chrysobulls, and written during a time when the city was part of the Serbian Kingdom. Which makes the Serbian name relevant for that time. 14th c., not today, not ancient Illyria or anything else closer related to Albanians.

Typical Albanian or not: Wiki has rules. Don't go into edit-warring or you might well be blocked. Present your point with intelligent and well-based arguments, and I promise I can be convinced! Go into "bull mode" (anything non-Albanian = red cloth = attack!) and you'll end up left out of Wiki. Cheers, good night, and have a great day tomorrow - and the day after! Arminden (talk) 20:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)