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This article was nominated for deletion on 21 February 2014. The result of the discussion was keep.

On 1 January 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Death and funeral of Ariel Sharon to Death and state funeral of Ariel Sharon. The result of the discussion was moved.

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>> The world reacts to Ariel Sharon's death >> Sharon Lauded as Israeli Protector While Palestinians Scorn Him >> Thousands pay last respects to Ariel Sharon >> Israel steps up security for Sharon's funeral >> Israel stages state memorial for Ariel Sharon >> ariel-sharon-warrior-war-criminal >> Sharon buried in Israel state ceremony >> ariel-sharon-warrior-war-criminal >> Sharon buried in Israel state ceremony >> Sharon: The architect of terror (Lihaas (talk) 05:50, 12 January 2014 (UTC)).[reply]

Arik [sic][edit]

Is there a better way to phrase this? I understand why the current text calls out this usage, but since we don't discuss Sharon's nickname in this article, the [sic] looks like it is marking an error, rather than the deliberate use of a familiar name by someone close to him. If I had a better suggestion, I would supply it, but regardless I think this part of the article needs improvement. 172.9.22.150 (talk) 00:50, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Forget it. Bladesmulti (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. You don't use sic for nicknames, you use it when you are quoting something with an error in it and want to show that the error was made in the original. Downwoody (talk) 01:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A better way of pointing out the nickname is to say something like Peres, referring to Ariel Sharon by his nickname, "Arik", said:" but you simply don't write (sic) after a nickname. Downwoody (talk) 01:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quotefarm[edit]

This article is a rather unhealthy quotefarm of empty rhetoric. I have just pared down some of the quotes, and will continue to consolidate and pare down as more reactions become available. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 09:25, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No you will not do it as you see fit. Your idea of someone being notable or not is not objecvtive fact. The Palestinian leader you removed was not supported by others. Further, your arbitrary nature of paring down as you see fit is not objective either.

Further yet, you seem to indicate you will go about doing things your way and that is not constructive editinglLihaas (talk) 11:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Even if you think the Palestinian you insist on quoting verbatim was notable, and the jury seems to be out on him, what he said was vitriolic rant that I excised with all the "sweet nothings" from other Likud politicians. Of course we should have appropriate quotes, but my approach is to summarise and use quotes in moderation, and is if anything less more "arbitrary" than your inclusionist "quote everything that can be cited to the media" approach. You're dead wrong if you think that if it's sourced it should not be removed. And if you're just looking for coverage from people who hated him, for some "balance", you ought to consider covering the angle that many Israelis hated him for what he did. Plenty of quotable quotes there. Have with it. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 13:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one User talk:Ohconfucius, have to avoid quote farming, and don't add any red link no namers either. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All over bar the shouting?[edit]

I'm amazed at just how fast the quotefarm grew. Two days after the funeral, and the article has hardly moved. Oh, don't I know... Sound bites grab your attention for next to no effort. It's all bling. Quotes are easy: just copy and then paste. Like this disgraceful dumping of an entire gratuitous quote into an article which then stayed for 7 months until someone (yours truly) saw fit to pare it down to size.

Let's build an article worthy of the title. We need to write more encyclopaedic content and not copy or otherwise replicate news stories, but it's harder work. There are sufficient sources for the funeral.[1][2][3][4]. There are lots of reactions that don't eulogise him that need to be written about. But if the presently assembled editors are no longer interested in following through, we may be better off changing the title to Reactions to the death of Ariel Sharon; or redirect the name space back to the biography and be done with it. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 07:21, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dignitaries that DID NOT ATTEND[edit]

Perhaps something should be included about the fact that no dignitaries from the Arab World, Africa, or Latin America attended his funeral. This surely reflects his legacy: http://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-egyptian-diplomat-quietly-attends-sharon-memorial-ceremony/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.71.137.68 (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In short, nothing effects his legacy. Bladesmulti (talk) 12:27, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article need two photos of the funeral of Ariel Sharon on january 12, 2014 and in january 13,2014 with the dignitaries at the Knesset[edit]

The article of death and funeral of Ariel Sharon need two photos with the casket at the Knesset in january 12,2014 and of his funeral on january 13, 2014 at the Knesset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by R65898 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 January 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 15:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death and funeral of Ariel Sharon → Death and state funeral of Ariel Sharon – Article indicates that this was held as a state funeral, and this is consistent with other article titles for state funerals. Elizium23 (talk) 03:11, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, speedily. BD2412 T 04:37, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.