Talk:Death of Reeva Steenkamp

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Split to a new article Death of Reeva Steenkamp[edit]

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Consensus was not to proceed with moves at this stage. HelenOnline (talk) 10:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose that we split the Oscar Pistorius and Reeva Steenkamp death/charge sections to a separate article, to properly cover the death, investigation, trial, without it unbalancing the Reeva Steenkamp article or Oscar Pistorius'. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As a question, why are we having a second discussion about this when the first one did not pass? Is there a new reason as to split, which would be alright with me, or is it the same reason as before? --Super Goku V (talk) 02:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The first discussion was establishing whether a separate article was needed for either Reeva Steenkamp or her death. That did not pass, so we have articles separate from Oscar Pistorius. The second discussion was whether Reeva Steenkamp was notable enough to have an article or whether she was notable for only one event, the discussion resulted in her being notable enough to have an article. This discussion is about having a separate article on the death of Steenkamp, the trial of Oscar Pistorius, since we have two separate article that should both contain information on the trial of Pistorius as well as the particulars of Steenkamp's death, and the circumstances surrounding it. Since this information needs to appear in both articles, and it would result in large amounts of information being written, it's best to start a separate article, akin to other murder trial or death articles such as O. J. Simpson murder case. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 02:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. I thought that this was a rehash of the Suggested move discussion. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:35, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Summaries of this article would appear in the Pistorius and Steenkamp articles, while most of the details would be kept in this article. This would reduce replication in both those articles, and allow the focus on the trial and death to be maintained on that, instead of being part of a general biographical overview. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 02:50, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - people question her notability and the existence of her article. But now suddenly a separate article on the Death of.. is suggested. Should we have three articles covering this. Reevas article, Oscars article and the Death of .. article, it seems excessive especially as it is covered almost in full in Oscars article.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment of the two existing articles (Reeva and Oscar), isn't the more appropriate article to cover it in the Reeva article? (also why a separate article should be used instead, so only summaries appear in the Reeva and Oscar articles) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Death of Reeva is currently a redirect. I think that says it all. There's not a lot to say on the article at Death of Reeva as Oscar has admitted what happened and the two sides are arguing over a technicality. So on that bases it would be overkill to have a thrid article. Oppose for the reasons I just gave. GAtechnical (talk) 08:55, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Just because it is a redirect doesn't mean it needs to remain that way. And more detail on the death is contained at the Pistorius article, not the Steenkamp article. This redirect Death of Reeva Steenkamp points to the Steenkamp article. Normally, you'd expect more detail on her death to be in her article, showing again, why a separate article should be created. As many murder trial articles are called "Death of X", this is would not just covering her death, but the associated trials and investigations as well. Though you could also use the alternate viable name Oscar Pistorius murder trial -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:23, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is no surplus to move from the RS article at this stage. Of the two existing articles, the OP article is getting more attention because he is more notable and the question of his culpability is the main story now. It remains to be seen whether there will be enough there for a separate article. It could get messy if people start expanding the RS article significantly regarding the trial as well, but that may not happen. HelenOnline (talk) 10:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Based the coverage of the bail hearing, I expect there will be blow by blow additions to OP's article during the trial. However, we can deal with that when it happens. I', against any further changes at this time. Pkeets (talk) 00:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- True we can always change later but I feel that we already have most of the information and that most of the court will be spent arguing over a technical issue. GAtechnical (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support - this is obviously a big story, potentially bigger than O. J. Simpson murder case since Pistorius would be more known internationally than OJ Simpson. At the moment there is way too much information buried in a single section at Oscar Pistorius, it deserves a separate article. And because the story is about the whole case, not just Steenkamp herself, it makes sense to call that article something like "Death of Reeva Steenkamp". And then a short stub article (or a redirect) at Reeva Steenkamp. Adpete (talk) 02:25, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- " potentially bigger than O. J." I would certainly take your WP:CRYSTALball back and demand a full refund. You got a piece of junk if its telling you that. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment How can something deserve an article? A redirect of Reeva to Death of Reeva was already rejected. Also please see Wikipedia:Not News for why a separate article is not appropriate. Most of things coming out of the trial will be about Oscar. Most of the details are already there. GAtechnical (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am still of an oppose position, a third article that covers this story is excessive and unecessary at this time.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

we certainly do NOT need three. and even two is probably excessive. there is nothing so unique about the death or trial that deserves such detailed content - except for the fact that it involves someone famous - and so should be covered there. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose OK I am going to put my head on a block. There is not enough content for a separate article now and the trial will probably only take place next year. HelenOnline (talk) 07:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.