Talk:Deaths in December 2009

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Acknowledging dead criminals[edit]

why do we? who needs to know that some serial killer died today? he's no celebrity, he's filth.. a disgusting human! should get no recognition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcmlxxviii (talk • contribs) 19:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Longstanding consensus here is that these deaths are reported, and we do not apply judgments, we just report, without comment. That's why your edit will be reverted. Thanks. Rodhullandemu 19:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate?[edit]

Why would it be inappropriate to add the most well-known gimmick of a wrestler's career in their little section? I did it, and it was reverted as 'inappropriate'? Two things

1. Why is this any different from Bina Rai, Vyacheslav Tikhonov, or Richard Todd? They all have well known roles added in there, why is Eddie Fatu any different.

2. Most people have no clue who Eddie Fatu is, but a lot more know who Umaga is. Rexfan2 (talk) 12:50, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1. "Umaga" is a character or ring name. The people mentioned above are linked to films or television series, not to particular characters. Most wrestlers have numerous character names during their career. Umaga just happened to be the last one used by Eddie Fatu.
2. If that is true then you should consider a page move of the article title from Eddie Fatu to Umaga, in accordance with WP:NAME. WWGB (talk) 22:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then why does this not constitute WP:OR? How do we go about working out what there most well-known role is? Rexfan2 (talk) 23:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Read that person's article, if it has been written. All those roles should be included. Ed (talk) 12:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank M. Coffin[edit]

I think the description for this man's death is too long. I think it should be renamed from "Frank M. Coffin, 90, American politician, U.S. Representative from Maine (1957–1961) and Judge on the Court of Appeals (1965–1989), complications following aortic aneurysm surgery." to "Frank M. Coffin, 90, American politician, complications following aortic aneurysm surgery." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andres arg (talk • contribs) 03:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But then we would be removing Coffin's significant offices, which are included for every deceased politician on here. It seems less than satisfactory to remove these details, against page custom, just because of an aesthetic choice like the line being overly long. i'm for keeping it as it is. tomasz. 12:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Willie Maxine Perry[edit]

Does being someone's mother make them notable? I don't think so. I think this entry should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.187.128.99 (talk) 23:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Her article is tiny and was created after her death. It does not assert notability. If she's notable, the article should be expanded; if not, the article should be deleted along with her entry from this article. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 05:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The custom on this page is that heredity does not constitute notoriety. Ed (talk) 12:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The entry has been removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.187.128.99 (talk) 15:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Restored for now. i personally agree with all of you about the lady's notability status, but now she has an article, we should at least wait for the AFD consensus. tomasz. 16:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Wrinkles[edit]

In the web source, Mr. Wrinkles goes by his middle name, Eric, not his first name Matthew. All other sources on the web have him known by his middle name as well. Ed (talk) 20:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to Eric Wrinkles. Cheers, WWGB (talk) 03:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you :) Ed (talk) 15:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kenny Dino[edit]

I cannot confirm the death of Kenny Dino, the stage name of Kenneth Diono. The article gives only one citation. I don't know if it's reliable. I tried looking for Dino or Diono in Google, but the only hit is the same one as the one in the article. I put a citation needed for the description of his death. Ed (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference is here - [1] - which I find is ultra-reliable. Presumably you need the New York Times or somesuch ?! Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brittany Murphy[edit]

The cause of death for Brittany Murphy is incorrectly listed as heart failure. The correct cause of death, as widely cited in the many news articles about the incident, is cardiac arrest.

Heart failure and cardiac arrest are not the same thing.

I would correct this but the page is protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveCEO (talk • contribs) 00:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cardiac arrest is a process rather than a cause. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 01:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The cause of death does not appear to be known, and probably won't be known definitively until after the autopsy. Cardiac arrest can cause death, but other factors can cause both cardiac arrest and death. Moreover, the causality can be somewhat reversed: Somebody might die for an unknown reason, and as a result of having died, will flatline on an EKG. Cosmic Latte (talk) 01:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cardiac arrest may be a process, but heart failure is a specific condition, not and absolutely never under any circumstance whatsoever a catch-all for "heart condition". If I could make one change in Wikipedia it would be to permanently and forever prevent people by any means humanly possible using "heart failure" to mean "heart-related disease process". Calling Murphy's death "heart failure" is from what we know exactly, exactly as accurate as calling an asthma death "lung cancer". --NellieBly (talk) 01:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Del St. John[edit]

A bit embarrassing, but hockey player Del St. John died on December 18, 2009, but I can't post the link to his death on the main page because it has square brackets in the URL and I don't know how to have the Wiki markup bypass them: http://www.erstebankliga.at/8f234634abc92fd30763c1e63b89d9bf.html?arrSave[ArticleID]=4819. Anyone know how to do it? Cheers, CP 01:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done; replaced the [ and ] with %5B and %5D, respectively. matt (talk) 11:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I've learned something today! Cheers, CP 04:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln Gordon[edit]

Former american ambassador to brazil, Lincoln Gordon, died December 20, 2009. [2] Please add him under december 20 on the deaths in december 2009 page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.69.14.142 (talk) 10:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done but he died on the 19th. WWGB (talk) 11:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Wood (critic)[edit]

The great film critic Robin Wood died on Friday (the 18th), and his death has been widely reported on film-related websites. He will be having obituaries in the British press shortly, one of which I have written. I added a notice of his death to the relevant section of this list yesterday, but it seems to have been removed. Could someone reinstate it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.240.245 (talk) 12:18, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done WWGB (talk) 12:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hosein-Ali Montazeri[edit]

According to several sources,the ayatollah Montazeri died on december 20th at 1.30 am and not on the 19th:

Luxil (talk) 18:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laszlo Nagy (Scouting)[edit]

Here is citation for Laszlo Nagy (Scouting) who died on December 18, 2009. [3] Please add it under december 18 on the deaths in december 2009 page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.171.71 (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marianne Stone[edit]

Prolific british actress Marianne Stone died December 21, 2009. Please add her under December 21 on the Deaths in december page. Here is an obituary from Times Online. [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.171.71 (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Rodhullandemu 19:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Schillebeeckx[edit]

Edward Schillebeeckx born November 12, 1914 in Antwerp, Belgium , died December 23, 2009 in Nijmegen, Netherlands. He was a controversial Belgian Roman Catholic theologian. Luxil (talk) 22:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done matt (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lester Rodney[edit]

Lester Rodney died December 20, 2009. [5] He was a famous american baseball journalist. Please add him under December 20 on the Deaths in December page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.171.71 (talk) 00:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Still no reaction. Could someone add Rodney under December 20? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.171.71 (talk) 09:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's his obituary from New York Times. [6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.171.71 (talk) 09:12, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done WWGB (talk) 11:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Pickering dies[edit]

British actor Donald Pickering died on December 19, 2009. He was 76. [7] [8] Please add him under December 19 on the Deaths in December page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.171.71 (talk) 14:12, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Rodhullandemu 14:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How do we know the first ref is him, rather than another man with the same name? The second ref is a blog, and hence not reliable. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:01, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The age matches that of the actor, and donations are to an actors' charity. Equity does not allow two actors to be known professionally with the same name, so we have a high probability of accuracy. Philip Cross (talk) 10:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Masahiko Shimura[edit]

He's listed twice.TunaSushi (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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