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Garage a.k.a. Deep House

I think this article should be fused with the Garage music article because Garage is Deep House and vise versa. Odd Faden 04/14/2006


Garage is not Deep House. Very fundamentally different. If anyone can fix the link from Lisa Shaw's name to a bondage model who uses that pseudonym that would be nice.

garage is a misnomer. Garage IS deep house. you are unfortunately misinfomed. i have lived through the disco era. since 1976 i have been clubbing and i can tell you without any reservations they are one & the same. the fundamental difference here is in the difference between those who think they can quantify a sound based on a few sonic attributes which does not make something deep, garage or otherwise and those who have first hand knowledge from their direct experiences. for example knights of the jaguar is referred to as techno, yet it was championed by all the deep jocks. now you may say deep jocks play a variety of styles which is true, but fundamentally those styles merge as one. the garage played all kinds of sounds yet when we refer to garage we think of it in very narrow terms. this is wrong. garage is what was played at the g and deep house is what is played in deep house clubs like the shelter whcih can be anything, any style any so called genre. to quote marshall jefferson. "house music is chaka khan ain't nobody." that's marshall jefferson talking. now you can replace house with garage and have the same answer.

From Fraser:

This article possesses a number of quite significant errors:

First, concerning the so-called characteristics of the deep house sound, many deep house tracks have a 'thumpy' bass drum sound, thus making them practicable for a dancefloor; although there is a wide use of effects employed in the production of deep house music, the use of filters etc., is no more prevalent than in other sub-genres of house, for instance disco house (where filters are used ad nauseum) and dub house (where reverb and echo are pronounced).

In contrast to the traits mentioned in the article that characterise the deep house sound, I would argue that the most defining characteristic of the music is its mood, being typically abstract and atmospheric, more concerned with taking the listener on a mental expedition that making a dancefloor move.

Lastly, the statement that "deep house music is often synonymous with 'Lounge Music'" is quite simply untrue and should not be kept in this article. Deep house music, although often possessing loungey characteristics, for example, vibraphones, smooth rhodes keys etc., never has and never will be seen as equivalent to lounge music. I am really quite shocked that such misinformation was put on the site; the person who wrote the article, whilst possessing some knowledge of the music, is well wide of the mark in a number of his or her comments.

I am basing all my judgments on being a DJ and avid deep house record collector for 10 years.

Agreed ^^ Also the second half of the article waffles on like the blurb from a flyer. Needs to be rewritten. Tamlyn 01:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

^^^^ my point rests. garage IS deep house. 10 years is not a sufficient amount of time to have a broader understanding of the meaning of so called garage and deep house.

No, it is not...

People are comparing chalk and cheese here; Garage and UK Garage are two very different types of music. Read these two articles for clarification: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_music_%28US_garage%29 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_garage The music that belongs here in the Deep House section is Garage, also known as US Garage. UK Garage and related genres do not belong here.

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Recursive link

What's the point of linking every occurence of "Deep House" in the article to the article itself? This does not make any sense. --84.149.238.31 03:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Basement Jaxx

Can we really class Basement Jaxx as deep house? Maybe a little of what they do, but most of it isn't. 150.203.230.8 (talk) 10:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


I agree, Basement Jaxx is just house or dance music, not particularly deep house. jlh629 (talk) 06:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The Style Council

Unless there is another 'Style Council' (not the spin-off from 'The Jam), I don't see what is particularly 'Deep House' about their music. Feel free to reinstate it if I am mistaken but it seems appropriate to remove the claim that their music is deep house.


I really do not see anything in SC music to qualify them into deep house space, either. Especially I do not agree with "last album and few singles before" statement. They was involved in many styles of popular music, but, all of that was to follow trends. There is hundreds of artists to qualify in this list before them. Vlada.a (talk) 19:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Agree, I think they are somewhat related to DH most notably because of their version of Joe Smooth's "Promised Land". But that does not make them a genuine DH - act. --Shwad-L (talk) 09:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

What is "deep house", the disagreements, and the reasons why

I'm hoping to resolve this age old dispute over the meaning of the term "deep house". I hope that if people reading can think about what I'm saying here, they can come to accept it. I think it's quite important. No, it's more than quite important.

I can find the disagreements about the meaning of "deep house" very funny, and I often did, from a long time. While it also led to a lot of annoyance and anger. Many people have their own definitions of what it means, and really the truth is that, in times and in different places (often multiple places so as that it seemed general), these meanings were pretty accurate.

Early trance (not later, faster, formulaic trance), Chicago house of disco origin, soul house, funky house, minimal dub house, even acid house (as included in a wider genre) have all been named "deep house" by various people (often a lot of people) through the years. One important thing is that some people who named a genre of house music I've mentioned as "deep house" did mean that that genre was exclusively deep house. But other people naming a single genre of house music did not mean that that genre was exclusively deep house.

Personally, I can't come to terms with the Chicago-isation and R&B-isation of the meaning of "deep house" in an exclusive sense. That's my personal gripe, while that is most of the definition which happens to appear on the Wikipedia article currently. The article is rather ridiculous, and attempts to define deep house by elements such as analysis of melody, using a funky, R&B based Chicago house model (which itself is actually only one part of what is distinctly Chicago house music.) I can't agree with it, while it is a perception that has got around in later days, I'd say since the mid 90s at the earliest. Before then, I believe people were more aware what deep house meant.

Before I go back in time to recall and describe the most sensible meaning of deep house, I'll say one more thing. Why should Chicago house be termed "deep house" exclusively? This is silly. Chicago house is the proper term for Chicago house. And Detroit house for Detroit house and so on. It was (and is and will be) a very important thing to outline the real meaning of "deep house". I remember, as house music got more followers in the 1980s, and as time went on, people began to think "deep house" meant a certain thing or things, including myself for a while. People turned up at certain clubs, maybe having travelled far for the night, to go to a nightclub which was to be playing "deep house" music, but to find a type of house music they didn't like and maybe they left the club.

Here I'll give what became an accepted definition amongst most people going to clubs and DJing, I think, by the early 90s, after 6 or more years of developing underground house music.

"Deep house" is a really loose term. It does not mean specifically Chicago house. (Though I also understand in a sense why some people made and make this mistake because the term "Chicago House" was also sometimes used to identify most to nearly any serious house music at all, linking it to the roots of house in Chicago, as distinct to the peculiar house music idioms of Chicago that could be very distinct to those of Detroit, New York and New Jersey for example.) However, if "Chicago house" is a term used to describe distinct house music idioms associated with the life of the city Chicago itself, as it is most used and correctly used, it is only one small part of what "deep house" is.

Nor does deep house mean exclusively a style of house music defined by jazzy backings and / or soulful vocals, for example the New Jersey based house of Kerri Chandler. The point is that deep house, yes, does mean both later 80s and onwards Chicago house and New Jersey house such as the music of Kerri Chandler, but also many and very different sounding other styles of house music.

(Whether going on a tangent or not, one thing I want to say here is that not all "Chicago house" music - the house music coming from the city Chicago itself - was the R&B tinged or funky, soul disco tinged style some people try to make it nowadays. Though identifiable in clear ways, Chicago house was a quite varied spectrum of club music. For example, look at much of the music of L'il Louis, of Chicago, who many have called the father of house music. His music has a much more electro based foundation rather than R&B, funky disco based foundation which evolved with a style of electro music. The music of L'il Louis is foundational and central "Chicago house" music. Though it may be closer to styles associated with Detroit house music, for example, music of Kevin Saunderson of The Belleville Three, than to house which developed from R&B or funky or soulful disco music, which, for example, Dj Frankie Knuckles and Dj Leonard Remix Roy are more known for.)

Going back to the wide genre of "Deep house", it does not specifically need to have a soulful basis, or be vocal house, or have any funk or R&B root tinge. I know that is a particular preference some people have for the meaning of "deep house" but it's not accurate. Just like the others house based on funk or jazz funk is simply funky house, or jazz house or jazzy house, or jazz-funk house.

The point is that these CAN all be identified by the term "Deep House".

Deep House means serious house music. Yes, it means Chicago house, it means Detroit house, it means New York house, it does also mean original British garage house (later UK garage or UK garage house may be distinct, I don't know). Deep house means French house music, it means Balearic house music, it means electro house, it meansminimal dub house.

The point is that it is serious, house club house music. That's all. The term arose in places to distinguish clubs that were reasonably serious house clubs from discotheques that liked to advertise and promote their nights by saying they played, for example, up to date dancefloor sounds and house music. This could make a club night seem to many house fans that it was a house club they could go to, but in actual fact, it was an old era style, or chart music style discotheque that happened to play some popular, usually charty house tunes.

That is how and why the term "Deep house" developed in most places.

(The term deep house also partly came about within a need to distinguish the music of clubs and the clubs themselves that were niche nightclubs which adapted to the growth of dance music and house music by incorporating a more house sound, or elements of a house sound. Many R&B clubs, hip hop clubs, soul music clubs, jazz funk clubs incorporated the popularity of house music in the style of their music and also could incorporate some deep house music, but these clubs were distinct from deep house clubs.)

(Another important use for the term deep house in a part of the globe was often for distinguishing an older kind of house music in Chicago (which many in Chicago called house music at that early time and still do) that was found largely from the end of the 70s to the mid 80s, against the mostly purely electronic based house music coming out of Chicago in the mid to late 80s and after. Happily, this distinction fits perfectly with the proper, wide meaning of deep house that I give here. The earlier Chicago house music before the mid 80s would not be considered deep house today, while from that point onwards, typically Chicago house music of most styles is automatically known as deep house music.)

There were some DJs and scenes which became particularly associated with the term "deep house" and, like others, I myself made the mistake at times of attatching a personal meaning to the term. Personally I associated the term with an area of house music that was more dub than vocal but also at times had vocals, that was kind of very early trance house music which for example Paul Oakenfold played in his very early years (nothing like later, formulaic trance music which Oakenfold also became soon known for). It was electro house, it was lighter techno or heavier techno but not fast techno and slow enough to be recognized as central or core house music, and it could include the fringes of acid house.

So, for a while, when I forgot the purpose of the term, this was deep house for me and many others. While many others still in the UK who associated their music exclusively with the term deep house thought the term meant exclusively garage, and others exclusively more R&B rooted Chicago house. And so on.

The truth is, though, it meant all of these.

Mostly the mistake came about by not realizing the term was a wide term. Then, however, there were in fact other reasons. Firstly, it became not uncommon for DJs and promoters and people connected with a scene or club(s) to say things like "This is deep house." Many DJs and clubbers went a lot further and said things that seemed to be defining things, such as "This is the real deep house music", and, "This is what Deep House means", and things like, "Other DJs [in the city / elsewhere] don't play deep house. This is the only place where you will find real deep house music."

Of course, confusion can easily come about anyway when a DJ or producer or promoter or clubber wishes to emphasise a deep feeling intended in the club music they are making, or that they go deep into house, or into a feeling, or deeper, or will bring the clubber deeper than other DJs etc. This can have nothing to do with the particular genre anyway, and many DJs and producers and so on have just been describing that their music is thought to be "deep", whatever house genre it would fall into.

"Deep house", though, just meant serious house music, the music of serious house clubs or where a club played some serious house music. [The term was also used to make clear to potential guests that a mixed club night would indeed play serious house music among other things.] It could even at times include nights of mostly acid house music, though generally acid clubs listed themselves as playing acid. But, even then, the term deep house could apply because, to many people, it distinguished the club as a serious house club. At the time what became known as handbag house clubs were growing more popular. That was most often not thought of as deep house. There were many clubs which played remixes, house style remixes of popular songs and called themselves house clubs. They were not deep house clubs. Some of the house music played at such clubs was not deep house and some may have been, or, otherwise, simply these clubs didn't play any deep house. The Disco Mix Club DJs gave many nights and sometimes or often (depending on DJ) this could include quite a lot of house music, but, largely, I thought this was still not quite really deep house music. (DMC remix record releases, though, did tend much more to be deep house music as well as some non-deep house and disco club tracks. The DMC compilation albums of the later 80s and onward, however, were usually a very good example of what should never be mistaken as deep house.)

In the very early 90s when trance house music turned from the best part of house music in the centre between techno house, lighter electro house, acid house, Balearic house and other styles (and very occasionally soulful house and funky house) into a completely new type of club music, I had to conclude that that probably wasn't deep house. I don't know. It just became so far removed from standard house music. Later trance became music that was most often very little like early trance house music. The thing with serious house music up until around 1990 / 91 (and this includes quite a good lot of what was called rave music for a while, also), it was usually possible to be identified as being part of the same thing, in different styles. House was so varied, but it was so clear and identifiable, also.

From around '90 (or just before in certain quarters), that began to change and the biggest change seemed to me the new trance music. DJs such as Oakenfold actually followed the change (to my dismay) and copied the immense change that happened with the type of house called trance - which transformed into something completely new. Now I can hardly see the later trance style as house music at all. From around the same time, you may be able to say the same thing about a lot of rave music, and harder techno music. These three scenes all had styles which developed far away from what was reasonably recognizable as core house music. Yes, there was still rave music that was clearly house music, and the same for trance and techno (the three were core parts of house music previously), but in all three scenes the style got more divorced, usually much faster and very formulaic with very similar sounding tracks often. This was the more popular element of these scenes. While at the same time, this was exactly when underground house music began to lose its grip. Then, quality, serious rave, techno and trance which was identifiable as a core part of the earlier house scenes, actually became a great deal harder to find in clubs and records, if you were looking for it.

To finish - "Deep House" meant and I think still means and should only be regarded as meaning serious house music. I know that so many people (really loads of people) went to a particular club or a few particular clubs playing the same type of music, a single type of house music and meanings seemed to seem made from that. They identified the meaning of "deep house" as being that type of house exclusively. It's a mistake, though. The term is a general term for serious house.

While I don't think I'm personally able to make a direction or anything like that, the last few paragraphs before the paragraph just above I've gone on to include, are only to outline my own feelings about 3 types, or 3 scenes in dance music which developed noticeably away from the traditional, core house music elements (rave, trance and some techno scenes). My feelings are that those later developments in dance music could not be called "deep house". I don't know if there would be significant disagreement on that. (I guess that some DJs and clubs were playing a mix of the newer styles within those dance music and the older, clear "deep house" tracks. However, in my experience, especially with trance, generally there was a real breakaway from the past and there was not much significant incorporation of the old "deep house" style or feeling at all.)

Of course, there was still a good amount of techno, rave and original style trance music made from around 1990 and after which was easily core house music - serious house, or "deep house" (but harder to find).

I hope this helps.

I feel it's important, to clear up the confusion. To think that "deep house" refers exclusively to one type of serious house music, whether Chicago house, or soulful vocal house, or minimal dub electro house, is inaccurate. "Deep house" means just serious house of the kind that emanated as core house music from the explosion of house music from the mid to late 1980s.

Finally, to people involved in or around or informed by a scene from the early days, you will find that, to them, deep house still will only ever mean the particular music of that scene, the particular style of music alone. So, yes, the description of the Wikipedia article of "deep house" as a Chicago, more melodic, soul and R&B based house music will always be identified as correct by those people who live deep in the jelly of Chicago house music. Larry Heard himself may indeed validate the current Wikipedia article as being true of deep house. (Indeed, many people would but they wouldn't bother to mention that they don't mean that that is an exclusive definition of the term deep house.) Larry Heard and others may actually feel rather strongly that the current Chicago orienatated, soulful, melodic house basis of "deep house" is the exclusive definition of deep house music. Without wanting to say they are wrong (though they are), the point in such communications such people inextricably linked to a particular scene or style of music make, is to express exactly their own, all-consuming involvement in or attachment to that scene or style. In actuality, when such a figure gives such a limited definition of deep house music, all they are in fact doing is what the old DJs used to do, in saying, "This is the real deep house music, the others don't have it." To them, it is true and perhaps always will be, "deep house" only means their particular style or styles of house music. Thus to many Chicago people, "deep house" is Chicago house and soulful Chicago house alone. This home grown affectionate legend has managed to get itself passed on to others in the world who have accepted it, but in a wider sense, it is really inaccurate.

The current Wikipedia definition would find it very difficult to include L'il Louis in its definition of deep house, for example. While L'il Louis is called by many "the father of house music", a founding father of Chicago house music and is known himself to have stated numerous times that he plays deep house and that his music is deep house, that music of that Chicago house veteran mostly won't fit into the current Wikipedia article description. One thing about Louis I remember is that he has openly described how some (or, probably, many) people in Chicago have believed that deep house is a different style of Chicago house music to his own, and how he accepts that these people have their own definition of deep house and Chicago deep house. Louis has said that while his music is deep house and Chicago house, "it ain't that", in his own words, meaning this style of house music that the current Wikipedia article attempts to fashion in an exclusive way as being the true meaning of deep house.

I think it's very important to realize just how strong the individual claims are of particular scenes from people involved in those scenes, and, funnily, other people from the other side of the world who have believed them. They are really strong. But, the claims are many.

Again, I've said it many times in this text, and I'll end with the true definition of deep house, though it may disappoint many people involved in many different styles or scenes or house music. Deep house music is not any exclusive style of house music, but simply means serious house music. The best thing to remember is this: "Deep house" means just serious house of the kind that emanated as core house music from the explosion of house music from the mid to late 1980s. (For most of the music that was known as house music in Chicago before the mid 80s, for example associated with Dj Frankie Knuckles' Warehouse Club nights, this was house music, but the term deep house grew in Chicago also with the point of separating the earlier, disco style of house music with later, serious, deeper house music.). 


— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.18.46 (talk) 12:30, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

BPM?

Imo the range of bpm is wrong in this article. plenty of deep house songs under 120 beats per minute and plenty over 125. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.132.223 (talk) 03:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Lists

I've cleaned up the lists in this article by removing all redlinks, and some of the articles blue-linked were either unrelated or speedy G12 candidates which somehow slipped through newpage patrol. Embedded lists should really be avoided. - Zeibura Talk 00:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

sorry, but this whole article is useless and misleading. it doesn't give any info on what deep house is and furthermore it makes plain _wrong_ statements (deep house is atonal? deep house is same as lounge music?) it would be better the article would be totally deleted instead of having this here. i'll be glady writing something on deep house being an insider of the genre for almost 20 years, but i don't have the time at all presently.


do not agree^^

Some of the red links removed are of individuals who have made immense contributions to deep house & house music's origins, namely Timmy Regisford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.64.118 (talk) 20:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above statement. Why remove redlinks just because they are redlinks? Links should be placed on this article because they are important to the genre, not because they may or may not have a page already written about them. I just created a page on Jimpster (feel free to refine it), and while I am by no means an expert on deep house, from what my research says he is an artist who should have probably been listed on this page even without one of his own. Panserbjorne51 (talk) 06:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


F*** THE INCLUSION OF ARTISTS that don't having nothing to do with deep house, including hot creations wankers and duke dumont

I also disagree with the removal of red link. Artists that have nothing to do with deep house also don't belong here. 24.138.132.223 (talk) 03:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

'future house' section

whoever reinserted the 'future house' nonsense needs to back off editing music genre pages because they have no idea what they are doing.

DO NOT try to wiggle in some made up genre 'future house' into deep house's page, this is the page for DEEP HOUSE, not your new genre you're trying to get to stick.

ANY subgenres with 'future' in them never last, do not name any music 'future', it is grandiose, it is pretentious, it becomes quickly obsolete because time transcends subgenre names, hence DO NOT NAME MUSIC 'FUTURE' ANYTHING.

the 'future house' of 2015, will be known as 'last year's house' in 2016. get it? you cannot keep up the charade. do not revert my deletion of Future house section. stop plugging your artists or your niche names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.62.153 (talk) 12:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted your section blanking twice now, and with good reason.
Wikipedia operates by the sound principle of working from sourced material, rather than the personal opinions of its editors (Wikipedia:No original research). Indeed, if everyone went round blanking sections of articles of things they didn't agree with, or simply music genres they didn't like, this wouldn't be much of an encyclopaedia at all. The section on Future House has multiple sources added by multiple editors, and simply recognises a term increasingly common within music journalism over the past couple of years. It does not endorse it, as you seem to think. At present this all serves as a section within this Deep House article, however I anticipate it'll be demerged into its own article at some point in the future. May I also add, in the politest way I can, that your tone could really do with a greater degree of civility. Telling editors to stop editing because you don't agree with them isn't really seen as good form, and constructive discussion is generally favoured over lambasting.
Hope this goes some way to clearing things up. --Half past formerly SUFCboy 23:38, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I also disagree with the inclusion of future house in this article. It has nothing to do with deep house. Why is it here? If it is well sourced it should be moved to its own article. 24.138.132.223 (talk) 03:25, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd also vote for the removal of Future House from this article. In addition, the quote from Tchami, "...fusion of Deep House and EDM..." is silly and shouldn't be used to describe the genre. Deep House is, per se, EDM. Regardless of pop culture's lazy use of the term EDM to describe any and all dance music, Deep House is a bonafide genre of Electronic Dance Music. Hence, the statement that Future House is a fusion of Deep House and EDM is basically nonsense. A far better description of this genre should replace the Tchami quote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2C0A:DCF0:D1C4:9B0D:86F3:E140 (talk) 20:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Deep House and Beatport

In the lead the article claims Deep House is popular because of Beatport. The source for that claim explains how tracks are mislabelled into that genre which results in it overcategorisation at that website. It doesn't make the wider claim. Deep House was popular well before Beatport even existed. Its a very false claim we shouldn't be making. - Shiftchange (talk) 06:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Moving inclusion/exclusion discussion from user's talk page

Deep house and related genres

Dude, stop adding Kygo and others to deep house, they don't belong there, its tropical house and should be treated as such. Last few years spawned future house and tropical house, they have their distinctive sound, so lets not lump everything together. Now I have an account and refrain from anonymous edits. VEC7OR (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Deep house should be there because these artists have produced it multiple times. Tropical house is a subgenre of deep house and that's another reason to why it shouldn't be removed. Robin Schulz doesn't even produce tropical house music. Someone else should see if the removal (of deep house from these articles by VEC7OR[1][2][3][4][5]) is justified. Ss112, ‎Shiftchange, Hakken - TheMagnificentist (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kygo&diff=prev&oldid=751961946
  2. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Klingande&diff=prev&oldid=751961650
  3. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robin_Schulz&diff=prev&oldid=751961605
  4. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lost_Frequencies&diff=prev&oldid=751961534
  5. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deep_house&diff=prev&oldid=751960957

Discogs doesn't list them as producers of deep house and they aren't, this has been discussed to death. Putting them there just dilutes the genre and makes stuff impossible to find - keep them with tropical house or house, it would be better that way for everyone. So what now ? Edit wars are dumb, lets be smart about this, okay ? I've listened and curated this genre for years and anything you added just doesn't sound like it at all.

There are automatically generated genre listings

Take a look here

http://everynoise.com/engenremap-tropicalhouse.html

http://everynoise.com/engenremap-deephouse.html

http://everynoise.com/engenremap-deepdeephouse.html

Click around and see for yourself, see the whole map and notice the distance between said genres.

http://everynoise.com/engenremap.html

Do I need to provide additional info to prove this point ? Real problem is as stated before - right now deep house is hot shit, it sells, and everyone and anyone wants a piece of the pie, regardless of what they produce - hence the confusion.

VEC7OR (talk) 19:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

VEC7OR, you don't seem to understand that these two genres have different sounds which makes it hard for them to be categorized as one. Tropical house music has more tropical vibes to it and deep house has straight down thick and powerful type of house music. Tropical house is the subgenre of deep but that doesn't mean they have the same sounds. I've never heard a tropical house song produced by any of those artists you mentioned other than Klingande and Kygo. Both genres should be there for better clarification.
I have requested a third opinion to participate in our discussion. - TheMagnificentist (talk) 04:39, 3 December 2016 (UTC)



@TheMagnificentist and VEC7OR:TheMagnificentist has requested a 3rd opinion. I am responding to that request. The first problem that I see is a procedural one. By having this conversion on a user's talk page rather than the article's talk page, this discussion remains essentially invisible to the other contributors of the article. Discussing the issue on the article's talk page is a prerequisite to using the 3rd opinion. On the 3rd opinion page it states "Before making a request here, be sure that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page." For this reason, I will not be providing a 3rd opinion, it's premature. So the first step needs to be moving this conversation to the article's talk page. For more information on the use of talk pages please review guidelines here. Second, looking at the history of the article I can see several editors have contributed to this article over the past few months. These include @Eric-Wester, Yerevantsi, Jvhertum, Samgense, Binksternet, GoingBatty, Richard Kohar, and Jay M. Kusombi: and others. So there are several experienced editors and even an admin who recently contributed. They should have an opportunity to discuss this. So in addition to moving these comments to the article's talk page, I'm "pinging" these users and will allow the conversation to continue. If consensus cannot be reached then a request for comment should be initiated first rather than 3rd opinion, as per 3rd party FAQ. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Dig Deeper (talk) 17:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

you don't seem to understand that these two genres have different sounds which makes it hard for them to be categorized as one.

Duh ? You just took definition of a word 'genre' and threw it out of the window - if something sounds different it IS from a different genre. Before the whole Beatport debacle deep house was an obscure genre of house used for chilling and which played in posh cafes in the background, now its the next best thing ever. You keep on putting Kygo here, WHY ? Kygo is bona fide example of tropical house, the flag bearer of the genre, if you ask me, all this modern 'deep house' is more related to the commercial electro sound, together with trap and dubstep, with its rubbery wub-wub bass and drops (this is where Future House comes from, searching for the term leads to that exact sound). Tropical house with its steel drums, margaritas, beaches and marimbas is well defined genre that is not in any way related to deep house, its chilled slow(er) electro house. There was also Then there is Disclosure, which claimed to be deep house, should we put it here ? Keep in mind Disclosure is Garage/n-step. All this just dilutes the genre to the point that its impossible to find anything useful, have you tried looking 'techno' on youtube? Its 10 pages of big room electro mixes, and then something useful starts showing up. If you want a good example of 'modern deep house' - HNNY. Robin Schulz - stuff he makes can hardly can be called house, its modern electronic pop dance music that is slow and chill, same with Lost Frequencies and Klingande. So no, these genres should be kept separate and as far as possible. I don't even agree that tropical house is a subgenre of deep, its a subgenre of electro house - its stylistically very similar but slower and more chill. Even relative distance on everynoise.com says exactly that. VEC7OR (talk) 23:49, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

"Electronic pop dance music" is actually pop EDM and house music is a subgenre of EDM. Anyways, those artists like Lost Frequencies, Robin Schulz seldomly produce tropical house but their main genre is deep house as you can listen to most of their tracks - most of them isn't tropical house. What qualifies as tropical house? The chillful melodies, typically by flutes, bells, chimes and so on. Deep house sound consists of thick low tempo bass with less usage of the mentioned instruments. - TheMagnificentist (talk) 11:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

"their main genre is deep house as you can listen to most of their tracks" - I did, and its not, its not even house music, you know 4-on-the-floor house music.

  1. Lost Frequencies - Reality - guitar and vocals, with some background beat
  2. Lost Frequencies - Beautiful Life - guitar and vocals, with some background beats
  3. Lost Frequencies - Are You With Me - guitar and vocals

What kind of house is this ? Its slow pop music with some electronica in it, or indie dance (this label floated around a few years to describe this kind of sound). Same deal with Robin Schulz. I really hate the term EDM, what it used to describe was that commercial big room sound, electronic music was just electronic music, but I'm not willing to argue that one.

Now, back to the topic, Deep house is not low tempo bass, if anything its more related to jazz, disco, soul, its dark, muted, lots of strings, house music.

Examples
  1. Makam - New York G
  2. Purple Velvet ‎– Solstice
  3. Dave Pad - New Day
  4. Trentemoller - In Progress
  5. Naoki Kenji - Let It Flow (The Jazz Mix)
  6. Four Walls - You Know Me
  7. Peter O - Keep it up
  8. Hanna - Evenflow
  9. Urulu - Beleiver
  10. Spiritchaser - Conch
  11. Pepe Bradock - Deep Burnt

This list can go on and on and on, there is a solid history of 30 years of this type of sound, beginning somewhere in the 1980s with Frankie Knuckles and Derrick May. The exact same sound is depicted in the current list.

How does this compare to anything you added ? It doesn't fit here. Lets find a better place to put those artists in. Also I'm not buying the whole 'Genres change' - no they don't, they become other genres. Should we classify it on how it sounds or on what artist calls it ? (There is a problem with that due to commercial interest and whats being popular today)

Also I'm for relating Tropical House to Electro House, not Deep House, due to stylistic similarities. VEC7OR (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I understand your frustation but it doesn't work that way on Wikipedia. You need significant coverage of reliable sources to prove your point. Your opinion alone is not enough to decide whether or not these artists are producers of house music. - TheMagnificentist (talk) 08:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

How about?

What about a move to List of deep house artists rather than just a category? We have them for other music genres including progressive house, dub and others. It seems to work well enough although sourcing references is an on-going challenge because few reliable sources make claims. We can't rely on retailers nor user-created content. - Shiftchange (talk) 11:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Support. - TheMagnificentist (talk) 11:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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Article scratches the surface of deep house but it does not get too in detail about its origins or its current state — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soroushh (talk • contribs) 18:41, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Meaning/origin of “deep” in deep house

Why is the genre called deep house, exactly? ZFT (talk) 00:44, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Deep house lives on

This article talks of deep house as if its a dead genre,of which the opposite is true considering what the Southern African producers have been doing with deep house for the past 20 years... i also like to think that deep house is most developed in this region of the world and its current masters are there. OneNation666 (talk) 08:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Untitled

This article needs to be re-written from scratch. Also there's no way Basement Jaxx can be given a deep house classification. Deep house is my absolute favourite genre of electronic music - where are the current masters? i.e Shur-i-kan, Ben Watt, Tom Middleton, Office Gossip etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.160.162.185 (talk) 01:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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