Talk:Delftsche Zwervers

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Rating/Assessment[edit]

Rated high because it is probably the oldest continuous student Scout unit in the world. Rlevse 16:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC) PS: this has been listed in the new article section of the Scouting project page.Rlevse 16:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not the oldest continuous Scout unit in the Netherlands, so not the oldest continuous Scout unit in the world. Maybe the oldest continuous Rover crew. --Egel _Reaction? 16:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the article says "oldest student Scouting Group in the world." Should this be changed to Rover crew or Rover crew be added in addition to student? Rlevse 16:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, oldest student Scout unit. Still gets a High from me, but Wim may disagree.Rlevse 17:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't. ;-). Wim van Dorst (Talk) 21:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Terms[edit]

Nerd and creative aren't activities, what exactly are you trying to say here?Rlevse 15:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't add up[edit]

"seven leaders for each group of 4 children" (7x4xnumber of groups) means there are more leaders than children, yet you also said there are 28 children and 14 leaders. ??Rlevse 16:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to say: 7 groups of (4 children and 1 leader). Thanks for correcting me. --Egel _Reaction? 19:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Much better now.Rlevse 20:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ammo dump or warehouse[edit]

hi all (including Egel of course), I understand the Kruithuis to be a large storage facility where gunpowder was stored. Gunpowder in itself is not ammunition (which would be guns, bullets, cannons, etc). Therefore I change the word 'ammunition dump' (I don't like the word 'dump' anyhow) into 'warehouse'. Egel changed it back.. Definitely not aiming for a flamewar in such a flammable environment (pun intentional), I won't revert Egel's change again. But can anyone explain the precise details of the words ammo dump, gunpowder warehouse, and which one applies best to the Kruithuis. Wim van Dorst (talk) 23:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC).[reply]

The problem is that the description of ammunition dump fits nicely:

buffer zone Y
Perimeter security Y
Guards Y
Bunkers Y
Loading area Y
Blast barriers N, but the bunkers are build to divert the force of the blast upwards and the buffer zone was, for that age, very large.
Flooding system N, but the central pond also functions as fire barrier and there is water under the floor of the bunkers.
Destruction Area N or unknown.

The "Pak- en kuiphuis" was used for repackaging of the gunpowder.

At the end of the 17th or start of the 18th a "Granaathuis" was added to store ammunition (see page 56 of Het Generaliteits Kruitmagazijn aan de Schie bij Delft "Het Kruithuis")

It fulfilled the function of what we today would call a ammunition dump. I have no problem to change the name to "gunpowder depot" but keep it linked to "ammunition dump". --Egel _Reaction? 14:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A football (ball) also fits the description of a volleyball (ball) very well, but still it isn't the same. I'll not change anything until I have found a proper English designation for the Kruithuis. Any native English speaker volunteering? Wim van Dorst (talk) 20:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Gunpowder magazine is also a good name but the content of that article has not much relevance. --Egel _Reaction? 14:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is actual ammunition stored there or just gunpowder? — Rlevse • Talk • 14:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing dangerous (except Scouts) is stored there any more. At the end of the 17th, start of the 18th century there was a large amount of gunpowder and a relatively small amount ready-made ammunition like handgranates, howitzer-granates, fire-bombs stored. Cartridges were not invented/used yet. The non-explosive parts like guns, riffles, canons, cannonballs were stored elsewhere. Everything stored was explosive and had a military purpose. What was stored between the 18th and the 20th century is unknown, military secret. --Egel _Reaction? 15:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]