Talk:Demographics of Russia/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

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Sources for migration rates and population change rates

Migration rates in vital statistics table are different from those from Rosstat. It looks like that migration rates and population changes rates in the tabble were calculated on the basis of average population and vital statistics in the table. For example, there is a high immigration rate in 2014 when Crimea is annexed. Unsourced data for migration and population change rate should be deleted. This would make this data incorrect, because the difference between two average populations isn't equal to population change in a given year. Givibidou (talk) 20:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

What are the sources for migration rates and population change rates ? Unsourced data should be removed or replaced. Givibidou (talk) 20:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Remove misleading "largest country in the world” from first line

I recommend removing the misleading "largest country in the world” phrase and link. This of course is true about the land area or total surface area of the territory of Russia, but it is not true when referring to population. Since this article is about demographics, we should assume that population is the unit of measurement. An alternative would be to refer to “the nineth largest country in the world” with a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population --2601:1C2:1900:F2A0:84A9:E442:35EC:E282 (talk) 05:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

No reason to remove it entirely, I clarified it by adding "by area". Mellk (talk) 11:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Misleading statement in lead about fertility rate

The Russian fertility rate is 1.5 which is equal to the European Union average and many individual Western European nations such as Germany, the UK, the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium etc. It is misleading to be calling this "among the lowest in the world". This statement cannot be precisely quantified, and such a statement isn't made for the EU, or any other European country with a similar fertility rate, which points towards a bias. CrownsOfLove (talk) 14:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

effects of the special military operation

It would be in my view interesting to read about what demographic effetcs can be expected resulting from the Russian invation into the Ukraine. I tried to google it but didn't find realible facts. But for sure some research has been done regarding brain drain, drop of birth rate due to the uncertain future and the economic downturn due to sanctions, the effets of emigration and the death of such a lot of Russian soldiers. --Hg6996 (talk) 06:02, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, Hg6996. And would also be interesting to add whatever demographic effect the taking of Ukrainian children from the captured territories by the Russians will have. Have read sources that many have been moved deep into Russian territory, including the far east. Also, some adults that are being restricted/held in Russia. But for any of this, we will need to locate good sources that discuss the matter, specifically in demographic terms. N2e (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

It is probably too early to get reliable information on this, but yes, when there is a clearer picture it would definitely be important to include. Mellk (talk) 19:35, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Merge the contents of "demographic crisis of Russia" with this article ?

Responding to the suggestion by Jdcooper, my position would be the following:

1. The Demographic crisis of Russia is relatively superficial and doesn't add significant knowledge or insights to what is already available here.

2. As stated by Jdcooper, the title itself is provocative and we already have a hard time maintaining the encyclopedic standards of the current article against partisan viewpoints and outright trolls.

So my position would be a strong no. There is certainly room on Wikipedia for a solid discussion of the current demographic trajectory of Russia, but trying to incorporate it here would be an invitation to even more edit wars.

Bungler91 (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree and I oppose merging here as well but I think that article would probably be better suited to being renamed to 'Aging of Russia' (or Ageing). Majority of its current content relates to the age structure of the country, it is a better NPOV name plus we have similar articles such as the Aging of China, Japan, the United States and the United Kingdom as such. Tweedle (talk) 18:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Wanted to add to this that the Russian Cross article could also be merged into a broader 'Ageing of Russia' page as well, considering it is quite small and overlaps with said topics. Tweedle (talk) 00:39, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Support - Aging of Russia fine by me! I added the tag in the hope that editors more familiar with these pages than I would have some sensible suggestion, and was proven right. Thanks! Jdcooper (talk) 01:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Russian population up in 2022?

In the Vital Statistics section, it says the population of Russia went up to above 147 million in 2022, despite many Covid deaths and a large birth deficit. Is this because they are including the annexed areas? If so, shouldn't the total population then be higher? (Donetsk and Luhansk alone have several million people)? In that case we would also have to adjust the note below which says all numbers don't include the annexed regions. Chaptagai (talk) 10:52, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Good spot, No this is because @SCPdude629 keeps changing the figures and has changed population figures in the past to OR numbers (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 edit tagged reverted, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15), I have reverted now. Tweedle (talk) 15:11, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

But that was Russia's population in 2022, when I try to put accurate info, it get's reverted, what do you want from me?@Tweedledumb2 SCPdude629 (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@SCPdude629 From what source? Tweedle (talk) 20:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Right now I am confused about what figures the table is sourcing from or using but the stuff you added in is wrong, ROSSTAT says 145,557,576 for 2022 under Permanent population of Russia as of January 1 (Численность постоянного населения России на 1 января) while the stuff you added in is the same figure given in the infobox for 2021. Tweedle (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Well when I last saw it was 2022, did someone lie to me? SCPdude629 (talk) 23:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

? Are you talking about the census? That was 2021 (figures released in 2022), as by the evident wikilink and the fact that you changed said link here.. Regardless, why would you add figures for which you do not (atleast) have a reference to? You have done this 15 times (or more) and have been reverted for along the same lines each time, you should tag the stuff you are using in your edit summaries.Tweedle (talk) 23:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)