Talk:Diamond Tooth Lil

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Review: November 27, 2017. (Reviewed version).

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Source dump[edit]

Only now discovering how different Diamond Tooth Lils (DTLs) were independently notable... I originally dumped a few sources here for inconsistencies with the Klondike Lil story, but they could be useful in the future as I separate the Klondike Lil coverage from that of the Nevada/Boise(?) Lil. (Also re: the Yukon News, I'm more sympathetic to using the established, footnoted sources, even with questionable understanding of the combined myths, than I am to using this local news column opinion section.)

Robb, Jim (December 8, 2010). "More About the Melbourne Hotel of Dawson City". Yukon News. Retrieved October 14, 2017.
"The Madam with the Million Dollar Smile". Yukon News. May 13, 2009. Retrieved October 14, 2017.

Arthur Hart ... has published 17 books on the Gem State's history, and it doesn't look like he's stopping any time soon. ... AH: I'm working on a story of true crime in early Idaho called Wicked Men and Wayward Women. [nb: don't think this was published] It deals with the most interesting crimes in Idaho. For some reason people are eager to read about prostitution, so I deal with the notorious madams in town ... including Diamond Tooth Lil [who was the story behind the Hollywood movie Diamond Lil].
— "Citizen Boise; Arthur Hart". Boise Weekly. November 30, 2005 – via HighBeam.

(link to "Hart, Arthur" WorldCat search for book, which apparently breaks template)

Inspired partly by the success of Wallace's Oasis Bordello Museum and a "Saints and Sinners" tour that involved both Oasis and the neighboring Cataldo Mission, Richardson and Kovach staged the first version of the tour in 2003 to a mostly positive response. "Someone was offended and felt we were glamorizing the exploitation of women," Richardson recalls, "But we certainly didn't try to make it a funny situation. We received plenty more calls asking when we would do it again." ... a healthy dose of irony, banter and larger-than-life-characters--like ... Diamond Tooth Lil, Boise's most famous courtesan, who donated her jewel-encrusted incisor to an orphanage at her death ...
— "THE GIRLS OF BOISE; Boise Bar and Brothel Tour". Boise Weekly. October 13, 2004 – via HighBeam.

"Diamond Tooth Lil is Dead". Ellensburg Daily Record. June 21, 1975. p. 8. (This was one of Allen's original refs. It has more depth than some of the other syndicated press reports, but those claims are already sourced by books in the article, save for the taxis anecdote, which I consider trivia.)

czar 04:51, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

World's Fair[edit]

She performed at the piano during the World's Fair.
— MacKell, Jan (2009). "Illicit Ladies of Idaho". Red Light Women of the Rocky Mountains. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press. p. 163. ISBN 978-0-8263-4610-0. OCLC 699260779. {{cite book}}: External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help)

This source smushes Ornstein and Hildegard into one person, and while I can sympathize—the "myth" of DTL appears to synthesize many disparate traits—there are some smaller details that might be interesting to mention but don't fit well. One weird example is how DTL once "sang and played piano at the 1903 World's Fair", but there was no fair that year to my recollection, and it's hard to tell which Lil timeline the statement supports. The MacKell source's redeeming quality is that it has frequent footnotes and in this case, the Mazzullas interview, published as Brass Checks and Red Lights in 1966, p. 12. czar 04:02, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Diamond Tooth Lil/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Premeditated Chaos (talk · contribs) 23:40, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will be starting this review shortly. I have made a couple minor clarifications to the article's wording but nothing substantial.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
Exceeds the minimum criteria of simply being clear and concise. Explains a potentially-confusing situation where multiple women used the same alias around the same time with a minimum of fuss. No issues with spelling and grammar. Lead neatly summarizes the article while being interesting enough that the reader wants to explore further. Layout is clear - one section for an overview, then one for each notable Diamond Lil including the fictional one. No issues with words to watch.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
Can't access sources 6, 8 & 9 due to paywalls, but the citation details match and they are reliable publications (New York Times and Washington Post) so I have no concerns. Quotes are cited, no paraphrasing problems.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Covers all the important known facts about the notable women who used the name, but does not go into excess detail on any portion.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
Looks like a pass to me, and nice work! ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:26, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers.com[edit]

@Premeditated Chaos, could you mark your Newspapers.com clippings as public so others/I can see them? Also I think it might be time to retire the infobox. It seems misleading to put the image/vital info of one person at the top when the concept spans multiple people. (The old image was due for deletion weeks ago anyway.) Could move the new image itself to the second section, though czar 01:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The clippings are public now, thanks for the reminder. I agree about the infobox, I'll go pull it and move the image. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]