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On 19 June 2018, it was proposed that this article be moved from 36th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS to Dirlewanger Brigade. The result of the discussion was moved.

Political Prisoners[edit]

never heard of increasing nrs of political prisoners at dirlewanger. or read. I think it's some crappy stunt. I leave it for now as to a certain extend some desperate people may have fell under some of the descriptions, but i think it is weird. It was rather a criminal division and that was as far as i understand it, recognised in the recruitment. These people fell under worse categorys then political prisoners, also repeatedly convicted members of other army units contributed.77.248.56.242 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its membership was originally comprised of poachers. Later it included common criminals. Towards the end of its existance, the "Dirlewanger" unit came to include all outcasts of the Nazi regeim: homosexuals, religious and political prisoners and so on. It can truely be said that this was made up of all persons outlawed by the Nazi regeim. Piercetp (talk) 07:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would add that many members of this unit, particularly Communists and other leftists deserted and joined forces with Partisans. A number of Veterans even served the in the military and police branches of the German Democratic Republic (East Germany). Piercetp (talk) 07:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SS-Waffengruppe Aserbaidschan[edit]

The Waffengruppe Aserbeidschan was created 30.12.1944 (SS-FHA, Amt II OrgAbt Ia/II, TgbNr. 5248/44 gKdos vom 30.12.1944), and was a part of the Kaukasischen Waffen-Verbandes der SS along with Stab Waffen-Gruppe Georgien, Stab Waffen-Gruppe Armenien and Stab Waffen-Gruppe Nordkaukasus .This unit could not participate to the Wola killings that happened from August 5 to August 8 1944 five months before.(Der Kaukasische Waffen-Verband der SS by Roland Pfeiffer)

Wola killings were mostly inflicted by elements of Kampfgruppe Reinefarth that assaulted the area held by the insurgents from the west. It is hard to determine which specific units are to be held responsible but the main 'cleansing' tasks has been assigned to Angriffsgruppe Dirlewanger with following forces: 2 Grenadier Batallions (I & II) of SS Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger + Aserbeidschanische Feld Bataillon I./111 (com. Hptm. Werner Scharrenberg) + Ostmuselmanisches SS Regiment (without Batallion III) II Btl. "Bergmann" - [without 7. Komp.] Ltn. Mertelsmann Gendermerie Operationsgruppe Walter (2 gendarmerie Komp.) Komp. I & II of Aserb. Feld Btl. I/111 Anti-aircraft battery of 80th Regiment Sturmpanzer-Kompanie z.b.V. 218 [8x Brummbär] Hptm. Kellmann 1/2 of machine gun 4.Kompanie of Aserb. Feld Btl. I/111 1. Platoon of 654. Pioniere Batallion 1 KRONE flamethrower unit (8x Flammenwerfer 41) http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/niemcy%20_w_powstaniu_warszaws2.htm#reck

Zulfugar (talk) 16:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The photo I uploaded[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ss-dirlewanger_maski.jpg

Someone fix the (annoying) copyrights stuff on its page. I had no idea so I used this "sanctions" excuse, even if it was technically false. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 18:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, yeah. That's a pretty strange rationale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tchernobog (talk • contribs) 21:00, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Altshausen or Althausen[edit]

Dirlewanger is said to have been killed in AltShausen (Baden Würtemberg near Ravensburg) with a note 22 indicating a reference on the subject. However, the book refers to the death taking place in Althausen prison in Bavaria. One or the other must be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.72.163.183 (talk) 16:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 June 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved. See little opposition below to this, so request is granted. Much of the concern expressed below is explained in the article's content. The single oppose vote was sans rationale, which does not count much on Wikipedia. It is the rationale that carries weight – editors are strongly encouraged to give their reason(s) for !voting the way they do. Have a Great Day and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth ^put'r there 17:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

36th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS → Dirlewanger Brigade – Per WP:COMMONNAME; the German numerical designation does not appear to be used much. See the Google nGram: [1]. I was unable to search "36th Waffen Grenadier Division", so I used "Waffen Grenadier Division", which is picking up other units but is still lower than "Dirlewanger Brigade". K.e.coffman (talk) 03:38, 19 June 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 02:46, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This page has already moved several times, for example 13:27, 11 June 2008‎ Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (54 bytes) (+54)‎ . . (moved SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger to 36th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS over redirect: every other SS division is named this way). There are no previous move discussions in the archives of this talk page. Andrewa (talk) 17:36, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose עם ישראל חי (talk) 14:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment when the end year is moved from 2000 to 2008, it is a lot closer, and according to the later ngram "Waffen Grenadier Division" has recently been more common. However, there were, by my count, some 12 numbered Waffen SS divisions with "Waffen Grenadier Division" in the title, although many of them were only nominal divisions. There are some additional factors that I can see here: a) the other 37 Waffen SS divisions are all titled in this manner, so we are achieving consistency by retaining the current name; b) it was only upgraded to brigade status in October 1944, and became a division in February 1945, so it spent about the same amount of time as both a brigade and division. Prior to that it had a number of different names as it grew: Wilddiebkommando Oranienburg when it was created, then Sonderkommando Dirlewanger, then SS-Sonderbataillon Dirlewanger, then SS-Sonderregiment Dirlewanger, then SS-Sonderbrigade Dirlewanger, then 2. SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger, then 36. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS; c) titling it as just Dirlewanger Brigade does not signify that it was part of the Waffen SS, a point that was denied by some war criminals at Nuremberg, so perhaps it should be moved to SS Dirlewanger Brigade (which is used in sources); d) it may be best to leave it at the final name it had; and e) it is strongly associated with Dirlewanger himself, so that would support the move. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:26, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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