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January 6, 2008Good article nomineeListed

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Wich fucking bastard edit the Genre to Melodic Death Metal???? This is devinitive NOT Melodic Death Metal... this is Deathcore!!!!! Wikipedia was made for information not for uncorrect bullshit!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.29.105 (talk) 15:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Melodic Death Metal? NO. where are the guitar harmonies? semi-harsh vocals? Divine heresy mixes industrial music with death/thrash, Dino has said that himself.

The music itself doesn't represent anything Industrial metal. I changed the genre to reflect what it really is. It has alot of metalcore influences with death metal vocals and clean harmony singing, thus melodic deathcore. -- Shatterzer0 08:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such genre. Dino has said himself its industrial/death metal. Deathcore is'nt even a genre. The guitar tone is very industrial plus the death metal blastbeats - INDUSTRIAL DEATH METAL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.32.146 (talk) 08:12, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Fact is you can't classify this under one particular genre. It's a mixture of industrial/death/metalcore. Maybe just classify it "Metal" and have a sub-section of the page explaining the style of music. Dmiles21 09:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And you just made my point for me in a way. death metal + metalcore = deathcore. I'm still having trouble hearing the industrial style in the music, as it's just straight forward death metal/deathcore with melodic choruses that are featured on many metalcore band's albums anymore. that is the reason I classified it as melodic deathcore. in the general sense of industrial metal, I don't hear anything remotely to the tune of Fear Factory's (go figure) Demanufacture at all and that is one of the biggest albums to staple the banner of industrial to. -- Shatterzer0 20:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Shatterzer0, his point is valid. I think Dino only says that it's got industrial elements because he had that for a while with hiis last band. I've listened to the whole album and I'm doing so now, and I've yet to see any industrial elements prevalent. and to the unsigned comment three paragraphs above, deathcore IS a real subgenre, if you took the time to look at the Metalcore page, you'd understand that... InfernusBass 13:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited it to say Deathcore as this best descirbes their sound and style. Do whatever you want, they're deathcore, but if people won't accept that then they won't. InfernusBass 14:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ok let's put it like this you can't name every band that has singing, breakdowns, or whatever deathcore. in flames is melodic death metal they use alot of singing so does in insomnium in some of their songs same with almost every other melodic death metal band. meshuggah has a very similar sound to divine heresy so would you also name meshuggah deathcore? you guys have to remember metalcore is not much different from melodic death metal most of the difference is in the lyrics. metalcore lyrics are based on love, getting dumped etc. melodic death metal lyrics on the most part are exactly like death metal lyrics about death and violence. deathcore on the other hand is a mixture of metalcore and death metal and if you heard any deathcore song you will realize the lyrics are very metalcore about getting dumped etc. i've looked over divine heresy's lyrics and i don't see any metalcore influence in it, if anything it is all very death metal. lyrics (User talk:Ticklemeasianlyrics talk) 00:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abacabb, Burning Skies, Rose Funeral, and Whitechapel are Deathcore and their lyrics Don't talk about love, or getting dumped. their lyrics talk about death and violence, exactly the same lyrics used death metal and melodic death metal bands. viper5hdz 21:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA nom[edit]

I looked over the article and the only thing I noticed is that Melodic Death Metal should be Melodic death metal (caps). I'm not the official reviewer but I noticed this looking through the article. Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 02:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA nom on hold[edit]

There isn't really enough information on him to create a decent article, i don't want to make one of those really bad articles with "Tommy Vext is the singer of Divine Heresy", the end.
I thought those articles were your forte...? :P — Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which are about personal strifes and how you overcome them" - not sure if we should use "you" in a 'pedia
Changed to "people
  • "Cazares stated the album is a "big fuck you" to the people who wants his projects to fail" - "want" or "wants" (and is that a quote?)
want and negative, no quote
This IS a quote, you can find it HERE within all the text.Killmefaster (talk) 06:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "However, Yeung claims Roadrunner were not interested and said he did not want to be on a label that is "sort of interested, they were out of the question"" - quote introduced poorly, doesn't really make sense
Cut off the last part of the quote so it makes sense
Done

— Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou sir. I'll hit up the music backlog in a day or two M3tal H3ad (talk) 05:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Passed. Looking forward to it. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bassist[edit]

I know that Dino and the Static-X dude played on their debut disc, but I have one question: who's their live bassist? And is he/she a part of the band yet? Dark Executioner (talk) 16:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the article you would know it is Joe Payne... remember that Wikipedia is not a forum yet again... M3tal H3ad (talk) 02:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was in a hurry that day and didn't have time to read the article. I also didn't have the album at that time, but when I bought it I saw that it was Mr. Payne. You don't have to freak out just cuz I asked a question, man. Dark Executioner (talk) 12:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how you had enough time to ask who the bassist was, yet didn't have enough time to look under the "Members" section. I'm not freaking out, I'm just tired of your comments never relating to improving the article. M3tal H3ad (talk) 04:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deathcore? I think not.[edit]

This band does not sound anything like deathcore. if you wanted to call them deathcore then you would have to say they sound very similar to Suicide Silence. which they DON'T. i've referenced it as melodic death metal. referenced items shouldnt be changed, seeing as it is from a reliable and notable website. this band is pretty much ungenrefieable but i can assure you deathcore is not any element of this music. Dino says that they have a lot of death metal, but not enough to be considered it, and a lot of new industrial, but not enough to be considered it, and he also says that they're just a straight up fuckin pure regular old METAL band. just METAL. nothing more. you can check all that out HERE: Interview with Dino if you have anything to add onto the genres feel more than welcome. but do not say that it is deathcore anymore unless you can find a notable reference stating so.Killmefaster (talk) 02:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did. See the sources. All reliable, all verifiable. The only thing that would properly categorize them is by saying they're death metal really, as ALL sources provided in some way shape or form say death metal. Not every band has to sound similar to another to be thrust into a genre. You're saying they're melodeath, do these guys stack up to let's say...Amon Amarth or..Hypocrisy, maybe even Arch Enemy? No, not really. They feature a faster pace than what melodeath more often than not features. The only thing they really incorporate from melodeath is the clean singing which is somewhat attributed to it by other bands of the genre. I don't really feel like going into it anymore, but needless to say they are NOT melodic death metal, either. -- Shatterzer0 (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well then why dont we just solve this problem, and state simply "METAL" citing the website that Dino did his interview on? it makes everything simple enough without going into drastic detail, seeing as Dino even says himself, "you can't really put a [sub]genre to this music. its just Metal"Killmefaster (talk) 03:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That would be the most viable solution, really. As with other articles where it's hard to "peg" a certain genre to a band, or they've gone through so many (see Cradle of Filth) that they just now consider them metal. They undoubtedly are heavy metal, but it is really hard to label them without having reverts left and right. So I concede that that really is the only way to go. Maybe we should have a couple more editors join in for a consensus though, as that is more or less the way to go to prevent edit wars =/ -- Shatterzer0 (talk) 03:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. see what you can do, cause i'm rarely ever on here, and when i am i make ravenous edits. lol. cause people tend to fuck up a lot of band/album pages. just let me know on my talk page if there is a consensus taking place and i'll gladly take part.Killmefaster (talk) 06:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing that Divine Heresy have in common with the hardcore is their breakneck speed. The music does not have mid tempo breakdowns or anything of the sort. There are even a few solos thrown in. It does share common ground with melodic death metal in the fact the choruses are sung clean. Except for that there is no reason for it to be under melodeath. It is just death metal without being 'brutal death metal' or 'technical death metal'. Undeaded (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Why hasn't this been sorted out yet? some of the newer sites that are pinning a genre on divine herasy are mimicing this page, DEATHCORE needs to be REMOVED from the tags. No elements are found in this band that resemble deathcore, infact, some contradict it, clean vocals for example. Please someone remove the tag deathcore unless divine herasy themselves state they are deathcore (which they haven't)---- 25 november 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.3.98 (talk) 14:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


why does this say deathcore? what's next they call meshuggah deathcore? Ticklemeasian (talk) 00:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

to whoever keeps changing this back to deathcore[edit]

i find a reference that states that divine heresy is death metal/ melodic death metal/ metal to prove that divine heresy is melodic death metal and someone keep deleting it and changing it to deathcore. here is the link
http://www.musicmight.com/artist/united+states/california/los+angeles/divine+heresy
that clearly states that they are melodic death metal. also to prove my point deathcore does not have singing it in or does it have the industrial style of doing clean chorus or whatever. if you give it a close listen you can and WILL hear the industrial influences in some of the song, not all of it though. just the ones with clean parts may have it. ALSO just having a breakdown don't make this band a deathcore band, to give you a example meshuggah uses breakdowns, are they deathcore? dying fetus use breakdowns, are they deathcore? i guess not right? to also prove my point divine don't have any true deathcore breakdowns or in fact a deathcore riff.
the person with ip adress 86.137.136.127 i assume you don't play guitar or know anything about guitars, drums, or bass in general because go listen to a deathcore song and come back and listen to divine heresy. now tell me is the song going from 120 to 60 to 30? no because the song stays at the same tempo the WHOLE song. now also tell me is there a over abuse of breakdowns? NO because it is used at most 3-5 times during a song and it is mostly during riff changes and choruses. now to prove myself a 3rd time, did that song you listen to have singing in it? Bring Me the Horizon does NOT count, they are as much deathcore as avenged sevenfold is death metal. now that song you listened to DOES NOT have clean vocals am i correct? i can keep the list going like listings stuffs such as solos, singing styles, riffs, songs, etc but it would take all day. (Ticklemeasian (talk) 13:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC))[reply]

to whoever keeps changing this back to deathcore[edit]

i find a reference that states that divine heresy is death metal/ melodic death metal/ metal to prove that divine heresy is melodic death metal and someone keep deleting it and changing it to deathcore. here is the link
http://www.musicmight.com/artist/united+states/california/los+angeles/divine+heresy
that clearly states that they are melodic death metal. also to prove my point deathcore does not have singing it in or does it have the industrial style of doing clean chorus or whatever. if you give it a close listen you can and WILL hear the industrial influences in some of the song, not all of it though. just the ones with clean parts may have it. ALSO just having a breakdown don't make this band a deathcore band, to give you a example meshuggah uses breakdowns, are they deathcore? dying fetus use breakdowns, are they deathcore? i guess not right? to also prove my point divine don't have any true deathcore breakdowns or in fact a deathcore riff.
the person with ip adress 86.137.136.127 i assume you don't play guitar or know anything about guitars, drums, or bass in general because go listen to a deathcore song and come back and listen to divine heresy. now tell me is the song going from 120 to 60 to 30? no because the song stays at the same tempo the WHOLE song. now also tell me is there a over abuse of breakdowns? NO because it is used at most 3-5 times during a song and it is mostly during riff changes and choruses. now to prove myself a 3rd time, did that song you listen to have singing in it? Bring Me the Horizon does NOT count, they are as much deathcore as avenged sevenfold is death metal. now that song you listened to DOES NOT have clean vocals am i correct? i can keep the list going like listings stuffs such as solos, singing styles, riffs, songs, etc but it would take all day. (Ticklemeasian (talk) 13:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC))[reply]


again ip adress 86.137.136.127 you are using sites that were based off what wikipedia said after people changed it to deathcore. also the tags you put for the other genres does not even belong.(173.77.104.131 (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC))[reply]


if you don't believe me go check this page's history back when the article was written for
http://heavymetal.about.com/od/d/fr/divineheresy-bringerofplagues.htm
it was written after a bunch of people like you changed it to deathcore. you cannot use a reference that is based on Wikipedia AFTER someone changes the tags. deathcore has been a on and off tag for this because people keep mistaking it for deathcore. it is not deathcore. deathcore is about the most offensive thing you can call a band in the extreme music world. also try to keep in mind ALOT of internet sites now use wikipedia as a reference, so if someone starts to name something whatever they want like for example deathcore even though there is a whole page saying it is not deathcore on the discussion section then there are bound to be some sites with some misinformation. like there are many sites that claims opeth is only melodic death metal, or trivium is only thrash, just because someone decided that is the only tag for this band because they had a album that was that genre. to put it worst divine heresy did'nt even have a deathcore song (173.77.104.131 (talk) 14:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC))[reply]


Dear me, this page seems to have fallen prey to genre trolling. Oh well.

Should we just put the genre as Melodic Death Metal/Deathcore (disputed genre) or something of that sort so that anbody who comes on the page doesn't leave with the impression that they are either a melodeath or deathcore band? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.42.21 (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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