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A fact from Doing a Leeds appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 February 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the phrase "doing a Leeds" has become synonymous in English football with the pitfalls of financial mismanagement of football clubs in general, after the rapid demise of Premier League team Leeds United?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/February.

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Dictionary entry[edit]

Forgive me but doesn't this article violate WP:NAD? The article doesn't appear to be about the demise of Leeds United even though it does discuss this (if that is what it is intended to be about then it should be retitled and restructured). It seems to be essentially just discussing the etymology of an expression.

--Mcorazao (talk) 06:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is definitely intended as an article about the now notable phrase 'Doing a Leeds' and its origin, meaning and development/history/variation of usage. It is not intended as an improper fork of any Leeds AFC history type content, which is why the 'demise' section is just the bare essentials needed to understand the origins. I think the content is sufficiently developed beyond a mere definition type entry to be able to exist in Wikipedia as a proper phrase article, just like those that can be found in Category:English idioms. MickMacNee (talk) 14:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at that category and certainly this article is every bit as appropriate as those. Honestly seems to me that WP interprets the NAD guideline very arbitrarily (e.g. the article on the expression "copasetic" was deleted some while ago; why is that idiom any less valid?). Oh well. --Mcorazao (talk) 19:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why Leeds?[edit]

Shouldn't the term be 'doing a Manchester City', a Sheffield Wednesday or a Notts Forest. Leeds were not the first top flight team in recent years to find themselves in the third division. Mtaylor848 (talk) 10:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It can be whatever you find in reliable sources, but the problem is it's hard to find online sources for those periods, whereas it was pretty easy to prove this had been coined for Leeds, having occured relatively recently. MickMacNee (talk) 00:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sunderland are a bigger club than Leeds in nearly any conceivable way; more titles, more FA Cups, bigger stadium, higher attendances, far grander history.............so to argue that Newcastle were the biggest club since Leeds to get relegated is a bit strange to say the least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.43.227.18 (talk) 06:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, no, they're not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.99.96.146 (talk) 20:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bolton[edit]

Someone has added them to the clubs "guilty of doing a Leeds". Honestly I don't see that they have, there are several differences:

Leeds were a "big" club from the 1970s through to the early 2000s, bar a couple of years in the second tier in the 80s. Bolton were a second or third tier side until the mid-1990s, when they became a "yo-yo club" going up and down from the Premiership. For a few years in the 2000s under Allardyce they managed to establish themselves in the top flight by punching above their weight, they were never seen as a "big club" like Leeds.

Bolton didn't spend huge amounts like Leeds did, even when they were in Europe. It wasn't an instant disaster when they failed to qualify, whereas Leeds' implosion was straightaway when they failed to do so.

Bolton's problems seem to stem from two things: the owner pulling the plug on the money supply (unlike Leeds, where he ran it dry running the club), and not getting promoted quickly enough after relegation (Leeds were in deep financial trouble while still in the Premiership).

As well as Portsmouth (who have undoubtedly done a Leeds) there are two other clubs that spring to mind more readily than Bolton: Birmingham City and Wigan Athletic. Both have fallen further than Bolton, and experienced financial problems since relegation. Also both won a trophy while in the top flight, unlike Bolton. Looking over a longer time span, what about Coventry City? They were an established top-flight side for decades, owned their own ground which was used for Cup semi-finals, won the FA Cup in 1987, were still in the Premiership at the turn of the millennium. By 2014 they were borrowing Northampton Town's pitch to play in the third tier. That's a decline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walshie79 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Similar cases[edit]

Some of the teams here do not appear to be at all similar to the rapid decline of Leeds. Carlisle had a single season in the top division, whereas Leeds had never previously been out of the top two tiers. The decline of Notts County from top division to non-league was almost thirty years, Leyton Orient 50 years, Grimsby 60 years, and Ipswich went 17 seasons between relegations, none of these seem particularly rapid. Are there any sources that describe these teams as "doing a Leeds" because they don't seem to match the definition. EdwardUK (talk) 15:27, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]