Talk:Doll hat

Differences between doll hat and cocktail hat

This seems unclear to me, especially when compared to the "hatinator" referenced at the final section of the fascinator article. Might be worth spelling out the differences -- is cocktail hat more of an "occasion"/time based designation, or a material one? Thellomerca (talk) 00:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Thellomerca, there can be a lot of overlap between hats so it does get rather confusing. A key problem here, I'd say, is that today we tend to lump together all smaller 'frivolous' hats and confections and call them fascinators or hatinators. When people wore hats a lot more frequently and designers included them as a key part of collections there was a whole terminology around the different designs (worth checking out the Brooks Picken book and Hat Shapers Hat Dictionary referenced in the article). From the sources I read, a doll hat was always a scaled down/miniaturised version of a hat or bonnet, but it wasn't always worn in the evening. For instance, the 1937 Times article referenced in para 2 of origins of the hat describes it as an evening style topknot being worn in the day. Great if you can find more references that explain the differences in depth, but for now hopefully the See Also to cocktail hat and fascinator shows that there is a relationship of sorts. Thanks Libby norman (talk) 17:12, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Libby norman -- thanks! that makes sense. If I come across any further clarifications, I'll add them. Thellomerca (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2019 (UTC)