Talk:Dwight's Speech

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Global airing trivia

Okay, I'm not really sure how to cite that. It was something that aired and people watched. Are there records of what ALREADY aired on Global? I just know that Global *had* it listed on Wednesday's listings on their website, but now it's not there since Wednesday's over. But Canadian fans talked about the episode on the LiveJournal community of "The Office" after the airing on Wednesday. Williamnilly 18:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you goto the TV listings site www.zap2it.com and enter a Canadian postal code (M5W 1E6 is one example), then you can still view the March 1 listings as of now, but by tomorrow it will be gone.

Something like this is almost impossible to cite, no one writes an article about such a minor matter. Qutezuce 20:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it's something that minor is it really trivia? Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 20:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I find it interesting. Usually (American) things open/air the same day in the US and Canada, with other countries, like the UK, getting it later. This is one instance in which the opposite happened, a country other than the US was the first to see a US made sitcom. Qutezuce 21:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I find it totally interesting, since the US is where it's originating, so you'd figure they'd have the world premiere and that's usually the case. But this was one of those unique times when it wasn't. Williamnilly 23:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm not a fan of most the trivia here (99% of it is pure fancruft), but if it's not something that can be cited then I don't think it's noteworthy trivia. Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 21:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A reference could be added to any Canadian newspaper that prints TV listings. They don't have them online, but they do print them. It would be a useless reference as no one is going to go to the lengths it takes to access an old edition of a newspaper from a city they don't live in, but it's still a reference. Compared to that kind of reference a link to a livejournal post would be much more verifiable. Qutezuce 23:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Creed's Chinese

Does anyone know what Creed says in Chinese when he's saying hello to his friends in China? Does it mean anything at all?

What does Creed say in Mandarin?- Just Phil 02:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He says "我的中華的朋友你好" = "Hello, my Chinese friends" in an accent so bad I didn't even understand it the first several times. And to add insult to injury, it's in the wrong language! (They speak Cantonese in Hong Kong, not Mandarin.) -- Raymondc0 07:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, it's in the wrong dialect. And Phil did ask for what Creed says in Mandarin. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 23:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The identification of the varieties of Chinese as "languages" or "dialects" is controversial" according to the Chinese language page. Mandarin and Cantonese are about as similar as Italian and Spanish. Very similar but mutually unintelligible. Perhaps I should've used the term "variety" rather than "language" to avoid the controversy. My point was that if Creed is saying hello to his friends in Hong Kong, he should probably speak a variety of Chinese they can understand. -- Raymondc0 06:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mussolini's Speech

Does anyone know from which speech(es) of Mussolini Dwight's speech was cribbed?

Was Mussolini really a big podium-pounder? When Jim was recommending Dwight slam his fists a lot while speaking, the first person I thought of was Nikita Khrushchev. He was notorious for that kind of stuff. He most famously disrupted proceedings at the UN throughout September and October of 1960 by pounding on his desk and shouting in Russian while other delegates were speaking. I just wasn't sure if Mussolini also did those same things while speaking. SpudHawg948 (talk) 08:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My first thought when I saw this speech was Hitler. He pounded his fists and was intense in his speeches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.10.117 (talk) 15:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Music

What music is played when Michael and Dwight first enter the NESA? --M1ss1ontomars2k4 07:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dwight's Speech

Is there any consensus on if the text of Dwight's Speech belongs in this article? I have reverted it from the previous edits by User:Peregrine_Fisher as I felt that we should at least discuss the change. ~Cr∞nium 16:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes are supposed to be at wikiquote, which is linked to from this page and has the speech. - Peregrine Fisher 17:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From your statement I believe you are referring to WP:WWIN specifically "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", however the speech, which is the title subject, hardly qualifies as "trivia". Also please refrain from removing the material until WP:Consensus. ~Cr∞nium 20:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's from WP:WWIN#Wikipedia is not a directory, which says lists of quotes should be on wikiquote. Personally, I like quotes on WP, but there's a consensus to not put them on episode pages. Maybe the speech is different from a quotes section. I'll leave it in, someone who cares more can remove it if they want. - Peregrine Fisher 20:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where to put this. But when it takes select quotes from Dwight's Speech, someone keeps attributing "Blood alone moves the wheels of history" to Martin Luther King, which is completely false. First off, clues in the episode itself say this is false: Jim says he was quoting speeches from "history's dictators", which MLK was certainly not. Beyond that, a quick google search reveals that "blood alone..." was used in a speech before the outbreak of WWII to bolster his Italian countrymen while informing them that they had a long journey ahead of them. Martin Luther King might have said it, but Mussolini said it first and in the context with the rest of the speech, the quote should be attributed to Mussolini, a dictator, rather than MLK, a civil rights activist. I will continue to change it until it stops being reverted back to MLK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.249.250 (talk) 00:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, nobody is changing it to Martin Luther King, Jr., the civil rights activist from the 1960's. You are confusing MLK with Martin Luther, church reformer from the 1500's. Martin Luther predates Mussolini by a few centuries. -- Raymondc0 (talk) 01:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nerp, sorry, I saw it clearly said "Martin Luther King Jr." I also clicked the link and I know the difference between MLK and Martin Luther (the most obvious being skin color). Someone was changing it to Martin Luther King. I'm not familiar with the speeches of Martin Luther, but in any case, the quote in dispute is from Mussolini. And I promise, I clearly saw it read Martin Luther King. Unless someone drugged me and I've been hallucinating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.249.250 (talk) 02:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance:
I think the second paragraph should be expanded a little. Only by a sentence or two. The sentence about Rolling Stone should use The Office's, not The Office's
Done and done --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 22:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:
"This episode was the second episode of the series directed by series creator Charles McDougall. McDougall had previously directed the second season episode "Christmas Party"." Needs a references and isn't Greg Daniels the creator? I don't see a reference for the air date. The reference for Paul Lieberstein says that he plays Toby, if he wrote the episode, that needs a reference as well.
Corrected --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 22:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:
No TV Ratings info?
Added --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 22:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Full stop after "Dwight delivers his passionate speech"
I'm sorry, what are you asking me to do? --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 22:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A period after "Dwight delivers his passionate speech". I corrected it.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
I'm holding the article for now, but if these points can be address, i'll pass it.

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Speech text

Can we get a read on attributing lines of Dwight's speech to their actual sources? We know from the episode that the speech is pulled broadly from Mussolini, but there really isn't a solid, credible source that goes through and discusses the origin of each line, even if a pretty solid guess can be made. All things considered, the text box (which I've cleaned up and auto-collapsed) in the cultural references section really isn't a huge deal, but I worry that it is bordering on original research. Any thoughts?--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 15:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]