Talk:Earl of Surrey

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The List[edit]

I see some errors on the list, but I don't know where to look to find the proper information. Let's hope someone here does! 134.29.59.217 23:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy[edit]

If you wanted to look up for who's who in the Earls of Surrey, go to FMG website and use its search engine. I included the link for the First Creation of the Earls of Surrey. Sundehul —Preceding comment was added at 03:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3rd Duke of Norfolk[edit]

ODNB's article on the 2nd Duke suggests that in 1514 his son did not merely take on the courtesy title of "Earl of Surrey" (the institution of courtesy titles at that point being, at any rate, not very well-developed) but rather was himself created Earl of Surrey. So is that a separate creation in 1514, which has been held alongside the original 1483 creation since 1524? john k (talk) 06:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cracroft's Peerage suggests the 1514 creation was for life only. Opera hat (talk) 13:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Numbering[edit]

I notice the list of Warenne earls has been re-numbered, without any discussion that I can see.
There is no source for the present arrangement; the only source on the page supports the previous arrangement, not this one.
I presume the problem is with Isabelle Warenne having two husbands ( and outliving both); her page says she was countess in her own right, while William’s and Hamelin’s pages say they were earl in right of their wife. So William the son was either sixth earl after his father, or he was fifth earl inheriting from his mother; correct?
But whichever it is, or whichever we go for, some sources would be nice; and if there are two different numbering schemes shouldn’t we have an explanation in the text? Swanny18 (talk) 19:03, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]