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I was a member of one of the remaining white families living in East Palo Alto. I was young and in elementary school at that time. My parents purchased a home on Garden Street near Cooley's Landing and I played on the dike holding back the bay waters. I was never told about the racism or why many blacks tended to harass and hurt me. East Palo Alto DID have a Lucky's Grocery Store and an early strip mall that was based around it. The local St. Vincent De Paul Thrift Store was in that mall and I got quite a few used toys from that Thrift store. When the Watts Riot happened, the black people burned down the Lucky's store in sympathy and a show of solidarity. If anyone had done a better job of researching the EPA history, it would support my eyewitness accounts of what really went on there. It is truly ironic that that Tesla Engineer's plane came down on the exact location of where our house was located. And I take the same medication and have dizzy spells which would explain why that plane went down. Airplanes were often taking off from the PA Airport and I watched them from that dike.Aeb1barfo (talk) 00:48, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Source it, and post it. 69.12.254.18 (talk) 18:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Back in the later 1980s to early 1990s I frequented the area as a delivery driver. I can attest to the high crime rate by observation and talking with residents. So sad that micro-cultures within the USA create such chaotic conditions. My observations of reality conflict with the knee-jerk spewing of how wonderful "diversity" is. I suppose those proclaiming the wonders of diversity do not live in the midst of that diversity.Obbop 21:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then you would suppose wrong. I lived there around that same time, during the infamous "murder year" (1992) and thereabouts when all the bullets were flying. While the city was virtually like a war zone then, at the same time there were amazing things to be seen. Ever taken a walk around the Weeks neighborhood? The one with the large lots, streets lined with huge trees, all looking very much like Woodside? There were folks there then (probably still are now) with small urban farms, complete with animals and garden plots. So yes, there was a lot of "diversity" and the good things it brings with it on display, even while the thugs were shooting at each other. +ILike2BeAnonymous 04:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Violation of Wikipedia policy

It is a violation of Wikipedia policy and protocol to remove {{Fact}} tags someone has placed in an article until either a citation is offered or the situation is otherwise resolved. I am so, so ready to take this to Requests for Comment, and that will be my next step. I can guarantee you that your point of view will not stand at that point. Rephrase the sentence if it is important to you, without the ridiculous and unprovable "Many assume..." Moncrief 05:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, taking your edit comment as commentary (the fact that you lived in the area for some time), you must know that people in Menlo Park and Palo Alto do know that EPA is a separate city; that's because they're close by. It's a very common mistake among those who aren't in the vicinity to think that EPA is part of Palo Alto, so I'm removing the tag. +ILike2BeAnonymous 06:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are REMOVING THE TAG WITHOUT PROOF (beyond your own insistence that "many" believe this to be true), which is a clear violation of Wikipedia policy. Who are these "many" who believe this? You offer no description, no facts, and no proof. I am going to attempt a compromise in the article. If that doesn't satisfy you, it gleefully goes to Requests for Comment, where I'll point out that you removed the fact tag before resolution of the issue. You'll have a bunch of new users here poring over and editing the article as well. That you think the tag is not needed is not resolution. I'm another member of this community and I think it's needed, so please, in the future, wait until it comes to resolution before you act unilaterally and remove a tag without offering any proof or attempting a compromise. That is just bad Wikipedia etiquette, plain and simple. Moncrief 16:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where in that 192-page PDF document does it state that people "widely assume" that EPA is part of the city of Palo Alto? Your readers need guidance. The least you could do is put a page number on the reference. I also don't see any proof in your first reference that people "still widely assume" that EPA is part of the city of Palo Alto. You don't seem to be able to compromise well (you seem to be one who thinks being "right" is more important than have a factual article that is the best it can be); my change was more factual and less reliant on anecdotal evidence. I will sit with this for a while, and await your response on where in that PDF document I can find any proof of your assertion. I also don't know why you put the footnotes at the end of that sentence, when there's nothing in the article that corresponds to the second clause in the sentence. Moncrief 19:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I see the reference now to page 14 in that PDF document, which is actually "proof" of this assertion. Thanks for finding that. Moncrief 19:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not inclined to be charitable in this case, as you've behaved mostly as an ass; however, on principle I'll apologize for the inclusion of a rather large PDF that one has to wade through to get the relevant citation. Hopefully the page # will help people locate it. +ILike2BeAnonymous 20:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Why is it called "East Palo Alto" when it is west of Palo Alto? john k (talk) 21:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not west of PA; it's actually north and east of Palo Alto proper, but in the scheme of things on the Peninsula, it's generally "logically" east (i.e., towards the Bay, not the Pacific) of the city. But it's definitely not west of its larger namesake. +ILike2BeAnonymous (talk) 01:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You also have to remember in mid Santa Clara county if you are driving north on highway 280 you are actually driving west. Robert.harker (talk) 03:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EPA City problems travel to other areas

This link is about the horrific case of Herbert Kay in Palo Alto, which I do not see mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia:

"Meanwhile over in East Palo Alto, six members of a Samoan gang called the True Blue Crips were drinking Mad Dog 20/20, a type of potent wine, and making plans to “jack someone.”

http://www.paloaltohistory.com/the-bert-kay-murder.php

Demographics

Listed demographics in the article are complete nonsense: see [1] . there seems to be a trend of demographic information on small Californian cities being messed up by people who can't accept that "White" and "Hispanic" are not mutually exclusive in the US Census. Can beed I go onanyone take the time to sort this out? I can't spare it now.FrFintonStack (talk) 00:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't completely gone through the article yet but I removed a statement from the overview that said that "until recently" the demographics of Palo Alto and East Palo Alto were very different. Excuse me, but they are still very different. Possibly East Palo Alto is gentrifying, which may have been what the editor who inserted that language was trying to say, but Palo Alto is still much much richer, much much whiter, much much less hispanic, less tongan, and less black, less educated, and need I go on. No I do not have a reference for this but this is apparent to any one who is conversant with the area. Average home price in Palo Alto is five million dollars. Elinruby (talk)

An Important Change

In 1990, EPA was majority black. In 2014, it was less than 15% black (give or take a point). Is there any reliable study of the reason for this 'black flight'? It seems like a relevant fact in the history of the area. 76.102.148.112 (talk) 23:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

crime stats

not sure this sentence really adds anything, except a gratuitous mention of the chief of police:

According to a 2008 report by  Chief of Police Ron Davis, violence is on the decline. Davis reports an overall 42% reduction in homicides and a 20% reduction in overall crime between 2006–2008, compared to the previous three years.

The previous sentence kinda says that doesn't it? Apart from the police chief, aren't we just reiterating that the crime is not so bad here any more honest?

roommates on craigslist as a reference does not pass the giggle test

almost all of the other references on this article are dead as well. Will note until I become too annoyed to continue. This is not my circus, nor my monkeys, Elinruby (talk)

misleading tag

the entire article is misreading really as it totally fails to capture the multicultural vibrancy of the area and attempt to paint it as some sort of wannabe whitebread suburbia... but the specific reason I added the tag is that the free shuttle has been mostly discontinued and now only runs to the Whiskey Gulch area. The city still seems to have the onld map up however (but has given up on havinh an economic development page,snicker, ok, let's not mock the less fortunate) Elinruby (talk)

Never got a response, still pretty sure this is no longer true (although it was at one point): Free public transportation is provided by the East Palo Alto Community Shuttle,^[1] which connects East Palo Alto to the Palo Alto Caltrain station during peak hours; as well as by SamTrans buses. Elinruby (talk) 17:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think they would prefer more prosperity, and less vibrancy. 69.12.254.18 (talk) 19:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.caltrain.com/Assets/shuttles/Schedules/East+Palo+Alto+Community+Shuttle.pdf

dubious annotation to the demographics statistics

In the lead section, second paragraph, it mentions some facts about the demographics of EPA, such as the fact that the Latino population is now about 65% of the total. It also is annotated with "dubious -- discuss".

How can that possibly be "dubious"? Isn't that exactly what the article later says was the results of the 2010 census in the Demographics section? Son of eugene (talk) 05:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Son of eugene: - think I was questioning the part about a declining black population

I checked the 1990 Bay Area Census http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/cities/EastPaloAlto70.htm which gave the black population then as 42.9%. So I added that reference, changed "almost half" to 43%, and removed the "dubious" note (since a decline from 43% to 15% in the 20 years from 1990 to 2010 is indeed a "declining black population"). James Dunlap (talk) 12:18, 1 April 2017 (UTC)James Dunlap[reply]

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History improvement needed

I think we need more information and references for the 19th and early 20th century history of East Palo Alto. In particular for the settlements that were to become the modern East Palo Alto

Ravenswood around Cooley's Landing founded by Isaiah Woods and then Lester Cooley
Runnymede nearer to Palo Alto and founded by Charles Woods (no apparent relation to Isaiah) in 1916 as an utopian farming community (in particular chicken farming)^{[hist 1]}

These apparently merged in about 1925 (again some sources). At some point Menlo Park and Palo Alto annexed some land (we need more info from reliable sources). Some more recent history can be found in the Stanford Magazine.^{[hist 2]} Does anyone have some good sources?--Erp (talk) 01:48, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

^ Staiger, Steve (17 November 1999). "East Palo Alto's early seeds of utopia". Palo Alto Online. Retrieved 2 June 2017.
^ Anning, Vicky (1998). "Reversal of Misfortune". Stanford Magazine (January/February). Retrieved 2 June 2017.

Orphaned references in East Palo Alto, California

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Reference named "2010CensusP2":

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[1] ttp://www.caltrain.com/Assets/shuttles/Schedules/East+Palo+Alto+Community+Shuttle.pdf

[staiger-2] Staiger, Steve (17 November 1999). "East Palo Alto's early seeds of utopia". Palo Alto Online. Retrieved 2 June 2017.

[anning-3] Anning, Vicky (1998). "Reversal of Misfortune". Stanford Magazine (January/February). Retrieved 2 June 2017.

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