Talk:Economic vegetarianism/Archive 1

Citations

This article needs some references or citations, I think. At present it contains the phrases "economic vegetarians believe" and "many economic vegetarians", but doesn't really establish who these people are or how widespread the phenomenon is.

Is there something like an Association of Economic Vegetarians, and do they have a website? I've found virtually nothing via Google. AdorableRuffian 19:48, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Vegetarianism = fewer bacterial infections?

It is well established that vegetarian diets have lower incidence of heart disease and obesity, but I haven't seen evidence that vegetarians have a lower risk of bacterial infection. Is there a source for this that we can link to? – Joe Jarvis 14:25, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

A potential (albeit a pretty unsubstantiated one) reason: most food poisoning is caused by Zoonosis (infectious diseases transmitted from animals), so avoiding meat --or animal products completely if you're a Vegan-- would then substantially reduce you're chances of contracting any kind of bacterial infections that way. See Food poisoning... mrkpwnz 06:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Need for separate article?

The "economic" reasons discussed in this article are one of many possible motivations for being a vegetarian. All the other motivations for vegetarianism are listed in the vegetarianism article. Is there a reason that economic vegetarianism needs a separate article? – Joe Jarvis 14:30, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

Relevance of health benefits

Why are the health benefits of a vegetarian diet relevant to economic vegetarianism? My impression from this article is that the argument for economic vegetarianism is efficiency—vegetables cost less than meat, and thus one can meet their dietary needs more efficiently by choosing vegetarianism. Also, health benefits are already listed as a motivation for being vegetarian in the vegetarianism article. – Joe Jarvis 14:43, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

Could this not be hinting at the old 'a healty lifestyle means less resources being spent on healthcare' argument? --NeilTarrant 16:56, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Agricultural techniques

Economic vegetarians' claim that meat production is economically inefficient makes sense to me. The current vegetarianism article makes this point obtusely in the section on environmental motivations for vegetarianism, but it could be a lot clearer. What if we more explicitly state that environmental concerns are also economic concerns and incorporate this point into the current vegetarianism article? – Joe Jarvis 15:02, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

I don't understand what "outdated" and synthetic/cloned meat are supposed to mean? Is the argument that now that humans can make meat synthetically, they should switch to synthetic meat production from natural livestock farming? And if we are to switch how we make meat, then what is our motivation for switching? If it is because it is cheaper to produce meat synthetically, then that is another economic/effeciency argument that should be noted. If it because an alternative exists to using animals, that seems like an ethical or animals rights motivation meriting only more comment in the existing appropriate section in the vegetarianism article. – Joe Jarvis 15:02, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

Amount of grain

I heard somewhere that it takes about 16 pounds of grain to make one pound of beef.

Regarding the Ethics of eating meat article (request for peer review)

I have recently done a major rewrite of the Ethics of eating meat article. I have tried to balance it's POV as well as perform a major reformatting. Since there are few editors on that article I have not gotten any feedback. I was wondering if people here could look at what I have done and comment on it. I have opened a Request for peer review for this article, please post comments there as I will not be watching this talk page. HighInBC 14:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed India reference

I removed the reference to Indian vegetarianism because this is mostly related to religious beliefs rather than economic neccesity. Indeed, there are certain castes (usually higher ones, which tend to be richer) which are categorically banned from eating meat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.168.11.230 (talk) 01:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Almost degrading language need be used?

Is it necessary to say that in some countries people "make do" with vegetarian diets when they can't get meat for some reason, this implies that meat was a major component of their diet in the first place and that it is sorely missed when unavailable. Their diets have evolved from a primarily plant base with meat as an occasional item. Brenton325 (talk) 10:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)Brenton325

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Inflation / Price Increase

The price of ground beef in the year 1985 was $1.28 per pound, and as of 2016 the price increased to $3.98 per pound. This is a $2.70 increase over the last 31 years. The majority of the price increase has happened between 2004 and 2016, increasing by $1.72 over the 12-year period.[6] These price increases make it hard for low-income households to continue to include meat as a part of their diet

This isn't particularly helpful. Either this needs to be inflation adjusted or, if it is, it should be stated.

--158.180.128.10 (talk) 09:45, 16 April 2019 (UTC)