Talk:Effects of Hurricane Wilma in Florida

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Former good articleEffects of Hurricane Wilma in Florida was one of the Natural sciences good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
June 6, 2007Good article nomineeListed
June 12, 2008Good article reassessmentKept
March 6, 2014Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Article creation[edit]

Created the article due to request from Wilma page. It needed significant reorganization. At least four dead links had to be removed. Thegreatdr 19:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brief comments regarding GA candidate[edit]

The lead section could use some expansion, and the article seems incomplete. These sort of articles usually have a section on preparation, noting when the hurricane watch was issued and any evacuation orders. Might want to compare the similar-topic featured articles Effects of Hurricane Isabel in Delaware and Effects of Hurricane Isabel in North Carolina. Gimmetrow 06:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added preparation from main Wilma article pertaining to Florida into this article. The lead has also been reworked. Thegreatdr 14:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Lead is better. The preparation content from the Wilma article also belongs there. One article should have the full info (probably this article), and the other should have a summary of the major points. See Wikipedia:Summary style. Gimmetrow 18:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Placed a shortened version of the Florida preparations back into the Wilma article. Changed were made to the lead. What else do you think is missing? Thegreatdr 19:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Content-wise, it seems broad enough, however a lot of it is not cited. The section on power outages, for instance - the numbers came from somewhere, no? The other general issue is prose. A problem in the lead was just fixed. In the orange futures paragraph, it says "orange futures reached", "potential could have an impact" and "this is compounded". Mismatched verb tenses are a recurring problem. The paragraph "CNN reports" also has "were reported". This sentence - "Even while the center of Wilma was still a long way away from Florida, its effects were felt from its expansive outer bands" - doesn't fit well where it is. I would suggest trying to structure the article in a time sequence, keeping the pre-landfall items prior to the post-landfall items. Gimmetrow 06:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the orange juice futures wording. I don't see the CNN reports section, so my guess is someone else got to it. Someone else got to the power failure number reference...last weekend I could not find a working reference for that line. Its original reference went dead between 2005 and now. Thegreatdr 14:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I added that ref, and just tidied up a few more. At least one link is dead, by the way. Gimmetrow 17:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tornadoes[edit]

The information on tornadoes is not supported by the referenced material. According to the referenced Tropical Cyclone Report, "Wilma produced 10 tornadoes over the Florida peninsula on 23-24 October: one each in Collier, Hardee, Highlands, Indian River, Okeechobee, and Polk Counties, and four in Brevard County." Petecat 13:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that the article should present the facts referenced in the official report, I have to say I think some of the confusion of there being massive tornando damage comes from what people were percieving as tornados. I believe the news channels were initially calling out tornando strikes, but then changed them to being vortexes. I may be wrong.
I know though, from being in northwest Broward during the storm and watching parts of the storm from the 6th floor, there were tornando-like conditions. They were caused by the wind whipping around the building which is a 12 story Y shape. The wind traveling in that manner caused a circulation that caused what appeared like a tornado ripping through the parking lot causing cars to be lifted and slid around into each other. I think similer events occured, especially in the downtown area and the high rise condo areas along the beaches.--Skeev 17:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane related deaths[edit]

The statements regarding hurricane related deaths appear incorrect. The article states, "At least 35 Hurricane Wilma-related deaths were reported in the United States, all in Florida. Wilma was also blamed for at least 26 indirect deaths.[1][2]" There is no support in the references for either of those numbers (26 or 35.) According to the NHC's report [13], there were 5 deaths in FL attributed directly to the hurricane. News media also provide numbers that include indirect casualties, but I've found no reports of that number reaching 26 or 35. I found a total number (direct + indirect) of 21 at MSNBC Does anyone have any other references? Petecat 23:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Sweeps Review: Pass[edit]

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2007. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. I would recommend adding a source for: "The airport reported $12 million in damages, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel." It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. I have also tagged some of the images to be moved to Wikimedia Commons, so if you have an account, consider moving them. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More Info![edit]

This article needs more info for it to maintain its GA-Class standing. 164.106.202.50 (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements[edit]

During the re-assessment, I mentioned to User:Secret that I could probably list 100 reasons why this article should be de-listed. As a person who lived in South Florida during Hurricane Wilma, I was beyond disappointed by the quality and lack of information in this article. Not sure if I can get 100, but here is 30 reasons and how the article can be improved in the future. I could keep going, but I have stuff to do tonight.--12george1 (talk) 22:24, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. The format is outdated. See Effects of Hurricane Isabel in Maryland and Washington, D.C. and Effects of Hurricane Isaac (2012) in Florida for examples.
  2. "The effects of Hurricane Wilma in Florida concerns how Hurricane Wilma in 2005 affected the U.S. state of Florida in late October." - That's a boring opening sentence. Why not say it was the costliest tropical cyclone in Florida since Hurricane Andrew?
  3. The lead mentions nothing about meteorological history.
  4. Some terms need to be wikilinked, such as landfall, futures, and storm surge.
  5. There is some stuff about impact, but nothing statistical, like number of power outages, houses damaged/destroyed, etc.
  6. "Some locations were without power for 2–3 weeks after the storm" - Spell out 2 and 3, then remove the dash and replace it with the word "to"
  7. "significant damage near and along Wilma's path, particularly to the power grid." - So nothing other than the power grids were severely damaged by Wilma?
  8. "At least 35 Wilma-related deaths were reported in the United States, all in Florida. Wilma was also blamed for at least 26 indirect deaths." - This is dragged out a bit. Just shorten it to "At least 61 fatalities were reported, 35 direct and 26 indirect
  9. "Damage in Florida totaled $20.6 billion (2005 USD; $22.7 billion 2008 USD).[4]" - We are no longer calculating inflation, as that is apparently WP:OR.
  10. On the previous problem, USD should be wikilinked. A common practice today is also to include a note saying that all damage figures are from that particular year.
  11. Florida is wikilink three times in the lead alone
  12. There should be enough details in the lead for it to be split into at least 2 paragraphs
  13. Immediately after the lead, there should be a Background section, which is a paragraph or two about the storm's meteorological history
  14. Overall, the Preparations section is choppy and disorganized. Organize it by county or topic (e.g. a paragraph each for evacuations, school closures, and watches and warnings).
  15. Additionally, about 2/3 of that section is unsourced
  16. No evacuation statistics outside of the Florida Keys/Monroe County?
  17. "Eckerd College in St. Petersburg, Florida also evacuated by 5 p.m. EDT on October 20." - Local times are not allowed
  18. "Mandatory evacuations were in effect for all Collier County residents living West or South of US 41. " - Directions should not have capital letters
  19. "Miami Dolphins to 7 p.m. on Friday, October 21 in preparation of the hurricane." - Again, no local times allowed
  20. No tropical cyclone warnings and watches? [1]
  21. Use the National Climatic Data Center's Storm Data and Unusual Weather Phenomena report to expand the impact.
  22. Elaborate more on what each tornado did
  23. "In addition, a tornado may have touched down in Miami-Dade County, causing damage to the South Beach Community Hospital." - [citation needed]
  1. "Many people later admitted they underestimated Wilma's power (Category 3) as it approached South Florida (Wilma was expected to weaken to a Category 1 as it reached the east coast), and failed to take the precautions that they would have taken with a stronger storm." - This doesn't sound accurate or factual, plus the source doesn't back up this claim

This one is factually true but hard to source since you would have to find some http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/weather/hurricane/sfl-2005-wilma-story.html It refers to "surprising strength" of the storm. Most people did prepare for the storm but the power was out in my house for 11 days. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/millions-powerless-in-florida/

  1. "Damage in Florida totaled $20.6 billion (2005 USD; $22.7 billion 2008 USD)." - Again, we aren't calculating inflation anymore. Also, "(2005 USD)" isn't needed either.
  2. All of the accessdates should be updated, except reference #13
  3. On Reference #1, the |author= should not be National Hurricane Center, which should be moved to work. The names of the authors are missing. Publication date needed. Accessdate should probably be updated.
  4. Reference #2 is a redirect
  5. Reference #8 is a deadlink
  6. Reference #10 should have a title

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