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GA Review

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Reviewer: I just read through what looks like a generally nice article on an interesting subject. I will now begin with minor corrections and then list other issues on this page. This the first time I'm doing a GA review, so if either I or the nominator decide at some point that another reviewer should have a look, we may ask one of the GAN mentors for help. — Kpalion(talk) 16:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Section by section comments

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Descent and early years

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Marriage

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Hedwig's accession in Poland

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  • Sigismund appears for the first time in this section, but it is not explained who he was; there should be at least a link to Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor and a short mention of the fact that he was an emperor and had been betrothed to Mary. — Kpalion(talk) 13:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh, I shouldn't have missed that. Anyway, I reinserted the link and the information that he was betrothed to Mary. I don't think that we should mention him as emperor because he became emperor 46 years after Elizabeth's death and 38 years after Mary's death (meaning that Mary wasn't even an empress). Surtsicna (talk) 22:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Good, but I see know that Kebeta inserted "citation needed" tags here. I suppose it would be good to address this, as any claim likely to be challenged needs a citation. Apart from this, I suggest rephrasinf these two sentences to make them less ambiguous: Although Louis had designated Mary as his successor in both Hungary and Poland, the Polish nobility – who wanted to end the personal union with Hungary – were not willing to recognize Mary and her fiancé, Sigismund of Luxembourg, as their sovereigns.Kpalion(talk) 16:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hedwig married Jogaila of Lithuania by the Act of Kreva sounds a little sloppy to me. The Act of Kreva was a political promise that the marriage would take place, but it was not an act of marriage in itself. Perhaps Hedwig married Jogaila as agreed in the Act of Kreva, or something similar? — Kpalion(talk) 13:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Elizabeth was also requested to legally adopt Jogaila – although sources are cited, I find this hard to believe and I cannot access these sources to verify. I could not find this information elsewhere either. It seems unprobable because such a adoption would have legally made Jogaila and Hedwig siblings, so how could they get married then? Could this be double checked, please? — Kpalion(talk) 13:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mary's marriage issue

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Deposition and restoration of Mary

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Death and aftermath

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See also

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Thanks for the very constructive comments! Surtsicna (talk) 22:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on page numbers

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I had a drive-by look at this article and it struck me that there are no page numbers for the books cited. Page numbers should be a GA requirement for all sources that are not webpages (in so far as they have no pages) as per Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citation styles; you might ask at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations for clarification. Buchraeumer (talk) 11:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's news to me, frankly. I haven't included page numbers in citations in the articles I wrote, some of which passed GA nominations. Wikipedia:Citing sources only says categorically that page numbers need to be provided when quoting someone. That said, if Surtsicna wants to add page numbers, that will be very well. But I'm not inclined to fail the GA nomination over this issue, unless I find a policy that says page numbers must be included. — Kpalion(talk) 17:15, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then this thread: Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#Are page numbers of sources a requirement for GA? should be of interest. Wikipedia:Citing sources says: "You should identify any part of a source that you quote, paraphrase or cite; in the case of a book, specify the page number(s)." Regards. Buchraeumer (talk) 20:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Buchraeumer asked other reviewers. I just looked at the current Elizabeth of Bosnia and the 1st book has no indication of where the relevant passage is. IMO that's a fail on WP:V. --Philcha (talk) 09:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Page numbers are required as per Wikipedia:Citing sources#Say where you found it. Without page numbers this a fail. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, book citations with no page numbers is a valid reason for failing the article. Pyrotec (talk) 18:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have finished adding page numbers to references. Tracking down all the pages was harder than expanding this article. Surtsicna (talk) 11:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, great job, Surtsicna! — Kpalion(talk) 17:47, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on section: Death and aftermath

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This section need clarification. In a reference already used in the article (Engel, Pal; Ayton, Andrew; Pálosfalvi, Tamás (1999). The realm of St. Stephen: a history of medieval Hungary, 895-1526 Volume 19 of International Library of Historical Studies. Penn State Press. ISBN 0271017589.) on page 199, says that Sigismund marched into Slavonia to rescue the queens, and failed. Moreover, Bloody Sabor of Križevci should be mentioned in aftermath. Kebeta (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned Sigismund's attempt to save Elizabeth and Mary. However, Bloody Sabor of Križevci does not seem related to Elizabeth at all. It took place 10 years after her death, even after Mary's death, and Elizabeth is not mentioned in the article about it. None of the sources I've encountered so far makes connection between Elizabeth and the massacre. Therefore, I am not sure how it's relevant to this article. Surtsicna (talk) 12:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 DoneKpalion(talk) 17:47, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes

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  • I see Surtsicna changed "Mary became queen regnant of Hungary" to "Mary was crowned "king" of Hungary". What does it exactly mean? I think it might be confusing to most English readers. What is the difference – if any – between a female "king" and a queen regnant? Plus, queen regnant was linked, thus providing additional information, while "king" is not. — Kpalion(talk) 17:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hungary did not have any queens regnant before Mary, so they decided to treat her as a king. That's how they wanted to avoid any problems regarding the legitimacy of her reign. I'll add a note explaining that. Surtsicna (talk) 17:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have left another note for Kpalion, so hopefully they will remember to come back and close it. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 00:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
User:Kpalion has not responded in a week, so I am considering this review abandoned. As it has no outstanding issues from the previous review, it is now a GA. --erachima talk 08:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]