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pressure

I've removed the reference to '22 tons of pressure' and substituted 'sufficient force' for two reasons. Firstly, as someone else pointed out, 'ton' is a force unit. The corresponding pressure would be 'tons per square inch' or suchlike. Secondly, the force needed to deform the coin will depend on the material, size, etc.

RDT2 15:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

numismatism

"Numismatism" isn't a word. I've checked this with Websters and the American Heritage Dictionary. The correct term is "Numismatics." If you're going to edit an article on the subject, you should be sure to check the actual category name. Janna Silverstein 14:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Post-elongation legal tender?

If using these machines does not constitute the "fraudulent falsification" of the coin, then it would logically continue from that legal recognition by the U.S. government that such pennies have not be sufficiently altered to change their nature as legal tender, correct? Then these 'elongated pennies' are still rightfully used to be spent on goods and services. I wonder if many places of business would turn away a hand full of these kind of coins as payment. 4.242.192.40 (talk) 13:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You use the word "logically" but present a radical situation. Of course businesses wouldn't accept them as legal tender. Regardless of if they could "technically" be considered as such. And I highly doubt anyone would take it to court because someone wouldn't take their pennies. Who uses pennies to pay for anything anymore, anyways?

Diggidoyo 11:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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On the Note of Legality (In a USA Legal Context at Least)

This came up in passing and i looked into it
I found this link:
- https://www.parkpennies.com/pressed-penny/are-penny-press-machines-legal.htm
They referenced a letter dated July 22, 1980 that reads:
- "This is in reply to your letter of Jun 20, 1980, concerning United States statutes governing the destruction, melting, or other extramonetary uses of United States coins. You refer to and question the legality of a souvenir machine which compresses coins and returns a souvenir. You refer to Title 18, U. S. C. sections 331 and 475.

As you are already aware, a federal statute in the criminal code of the United States (18 U.S.C. 331), indeed makes it illegal if one "fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales or lightens" any U.S. coin. However, being a criminal statute, a fraudulent intent is required for violation. Thus, the mere act of compressing coins into souvenirs is not illegal, without other factors being present.

Section 475, which you refer to in your letter, regarding the attachment of notice or advertisement to legal tender, does not apply to your souvenirs in this case. Your are not impressing or attaching a business or professional card, notice or advertisement to a coin, your are simply making an impression on the coin.

We hope this information answers your question. If we can be of any further assistance, please contact us.

Sincerely,

Kenneth B. Gubin Counsel to the Mint."

I feel like this is a good source/bit to add, do you agree?
How should i go about adding this to the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Lotze (talk • contribs) 13:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cost $1

The article currently states that the machines typically cost $1 on top of the penny. I have no source for this but in my experience, the vast majority cost 50 cents, with only a fraction being $1 (I have seen a few at 75 cents also). Rehcsif (talk) 16:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]