Talk:Elsa Marshall-Hall

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Issues of this page.[edit]

As the person who started this page, I have two issues regarding the suggestion that the page has "multiple issues"

Which sources are considered unreliable and why? I may be able to find other sources.
I believe that Elsa Marshall-Hall was quite notable. There are no less than 51 entries on Google that mention her by name (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU883AU883&ei=H3UvX8UjuJ7j4Q-_saKYAw&q=%22Elsa+Marshall-Hall%22&oq=%22Elsa+Marshall-Hall%22&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1DAPVi2bWCkd2gBcAB4AIAB6QGIAbkDkgEDMi0ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiFr4Gnno3rAhU4zzgGHb-YCDMQ4dUDCAw&uact=5)! Why should her notability be queried?

Albert Isaacs (talk) 04:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Facebook is definitely not considered a reliable source for Wikipedia. It is self-edited and unsourced – Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Self-published sources (online and paper). You need to provide other sources for the facts that you have included from Facebook. Oronsay (talk) 23:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear "Oronsay",to less

Thank you for your prompt reply, and your advice re using Facebook on Wikipedia - appreciated! I have now replaced the two references with more reliable and direct links. I now look forward to the box at the top of the page being removed.

With appreciation, Albert Isaacs (talk) 02:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is good progress. You will see that I have removed the Multiple issues and Reliable sources templates. Your next job should be to convert the rest of your references so that they are not bare URLs, another maintenance tag (link rot) that another editor may add. Removing the Notability template is not my call. Oronsay (talk) 03:09, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I added the notability tag because it's not clear to me that the subject is sufficiently notable for Wikipedia. I had a look in Trove and couldn't find much that constituted significant coverage in independent reliable sources, and the existing references don't do this either in my view. It is a chance for interested editors to buttress the article, before being considered for deletion. Boneymau (talk) 03:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Boneymau,

Google [[1]] includes no less than 52 references to Elsa Marshall-Hall more than enough to make the person notable. I hope you agree.

Regards, Albert Isaacs (talk) 04:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just responded on my Talk page where you also posted this. I said there: I don't agree Albert Isaacs, there are established benchmarks for notability and 52 references in Google is not a principal measure. But it's not up to you or me individually, it's the consensus of the Wikipedia community. And there are quite normal processes to confirm or challenge notability. Don't take it personally. Boneymau (talk) 07:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And you also might want to look at WP:COMPOSER for more specific guidance than the general notability guideline to justify how any of those criteria are met. In the coming days I will instigate a deletion discussion proposing deleting or merging to George Marshall-Hall (but what is there for her already in that article looks reasonable). Boneymau (talk) 07:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]