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Requested move 14 May 2019[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. While there was some doubt expressed as to the primary topic, there seems to be consensus that Lady Hamilton is not known by this name, and a hatnote is sufficient — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Emma Lyon (poet) → Emma Lyon – Remove "(poet)". Kyuko (talk) 12:42, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this first. The target was pointing to Emma, Lady Hamilton until changed by the proposer two minutes before posting here. Timrollpickering (Talk) 12:49, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyuko and Timrollpickering: Anthony Appleyard (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looking at Emma, Lady Hamilton it seems she was born Amy Lyon and later known as Emma Hart, but not it seems Emma Lyon. In any case, no other use of the name on Wikipedia. A hatnote is more than sufficient. PC78 (talk) 19:58, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. While Lady Hamilton's birth name was Emma Lyon, she is rarely referred to as such. For conciseness, I'm convinced the title of Emma Lyon (the poet)'s article should simply be "Emma Lyon" (the name by which she is known and under which she published), with a hatnote linking to the Lady Hamilton article. Kyuko (talk) 20:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kyuko, nom doesn't normally support own proposal, you are the creator of this new article (for which thanks, it's a notable poetry bio) and the nom here. But did you check GBooks before this technical request? How do you justify this move on the basis of the two criteria for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC..? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:16, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination and PC78. No need for WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT when a hatnote is enough. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:54, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose, restore WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Nelson's mistress. See "Emma Lyons was" test in GBooks. @Timrollpickering: thanks for having intervened, there is no case whatsover for the poetess to be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, fails by a long stretch on both criteria. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:03, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate Emma Lyon. Emma, Lady Hamilton is quite a bit more important of a historical figure than Emma Lyon (poet), but "Emma Lyon" is the most common name for the poet while it isn't for Lord Nelson's mistress, a factor which weighs in the other direction. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Emma Hamilton is overwhelmingly known as... Emma Hamilton! A hatnote is sufficient. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:03, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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