Talk:Emmanuel de Grouchy, marquis de Grouchy

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Grouchy's choice[edit]

I think we should definately cover the (Fatal) decision Grouchy made at Waterloo. That was the biggest choice of his career and he made the wrong one. And it was also the reason I came to this page, only to be very disapointed.

I'd be happy to agree to do this but I rather doubt you are going to like my conclusions as I have the orders given him when they arrived and prove that he was doing exactly what he was being ordered to do when he was ordered to do it and the only mistake that had been made was to leave him behind on the road to Wavre in the 1st place. Tirronan 23:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you please write this? This too is the reason I came to this page. Just a quick look at the map will show that Grouchy's decision to attack northward while the rest of the army was fighting to the west was ridiculous. The only hope the French had that day was to link up the two wings. Grouchy would have arrived on the Prussian flank sometime in the early evening and perhaps driven them off. Anyway, almost 200 years gone and we are still talking about it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Missaeagle (talk • contribs) 05:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC) Just to add a bit more. Napoleon's Standing Order to "March to the sound of the guns" is a standard and valid military order from the Army Commander that Grouchy disobeyed. Had Grouchy obeyed the Standing Order, which he should have, as it, by military law, negates any other and all written orders, Armee du Nord would have been Victorious! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Missaeagle (talk • contribs) 05:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Britannica 11 have done a sterling job, and surely we can benefit from their example. We need to locate and cite sources, and draw no conclusions.

As with others, I too came to this page knowing Grouchy only by ill repute. It's a scandal that I have been led to believe this ill of Marshall Grouchy. He was a fine officer and an honourable man. History, whatever else it might be supposed to be, certainly ought not to be a medium for the perpetuation of slander. If we honour Napoleon, let us honour his rightly placed trust in this man.

Without wishing to malign him, Ney lost the battle of Waterloo, unable to fill his incapacitated Emperor's shoes; and Napoleon's illness defeated him, more even than the bravery of the allies facing him.

Two centuries, yes! A lot of brave men died that day. I hope the future will remember them for just as long as those who fell at Cannae have been remembered ... and for longer still! Alastair Haines (talk) 14:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Napoleon himself is cited as saying, "Non, non, Grouchy n’a pas agi [à Waterloo] avec l’intention de trahir, mais il a manqué d’énergie. Il y a eu aussi de la trahison dans l’état-major. Cependant je n’en suis pas certain, n’ayant jamais revu Grouchy depuis lors." Which sounds likely, and sounds like Napoleon, but checking reference for the quote to be sure. Alastair Haines (talk) 00:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, this man was extremely incompetent, I'm not sure how to incorporate this into the article. Apparently, at Novi, he was actually trying to surrender, but when he got attacked by hussars, the story got changed as him trying to help the army pull out, when really he was moving his men to the rear to give up.Wastedgrunt36 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.0.169 (talk) 12:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

How was this guy pronounced? Grew-She Like a pronunciation should be put here so people know whether or not he's pronounced so people know whether or not it's pronounced like "de grouchy" like the Sesame Street character who lives in a trash can — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:E500:CB6E:48A0:D28E:CEBD:BE3E (talk) 15:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]