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On 5 February 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Encounter killings by police to Encounter killing. The result of the discussion was moved.

Mumbai Encounter Squad[edit]

I redirected this article to here because I couldn't find any sources that mentioned the "Mumbai Encounter Squad," but maybe there's some content there that someone would like to integrate into this article. Prezbo (talk) 17:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I'm going to prod this. The article text is here if anyone wants it.Prezbo (talk) 17:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also Police encounter is about exactly the same topic, I don't know if there's anything worth keeping there but if so it should be merged into this article (or maybe the other way around, I don't know).Prezbo (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV Check?[edit]

Just happened upon this article randomly, and although I know nothing about the subject, the article could probably use a POV review. It seems to suggest that "beyond a doubt" the people killed are criminals (all incidents? the singular is used, implying a particular incident.) It also contradicts itself in a paragraph or two about whether these people were in police custody or not. Better citation in the "Police Encounter" section of the article might clear up some of this. Wevets (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move?[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved to Encounter killings by police to get it settled. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Encounter killings → Police encounter — Relisted. Please indicate clearly your preferences for the title: Encounter killings, Police encounter, Police encounter killings, or Encounter killings by police. Ucucha 18:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had merged two articles, but the latter title is better option. This requires history merge. Angers roams (talk) 10:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is, the past part of Encounter killings's history is to be moved to Police encounter, if the move as requested is agreed on. But, which name to choose for the article? Try Encounter killings by police to be clear? The other 2 titles are too indefinite. There are many encounter killings not involving police. I have encountered police many times. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't call it "encounter killings by police." I don't know which title would be better but the fact that they're "indefinite" isn't a problem. They're euphemisms--of course they're indefinite. The title should just reflect what people in the real world call the article subject, it doesn't need to explain what it is.Prezbo (talk) 08:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Encounter killings by police or even Police encounter killings should be ok for me. For a worldwide view police is required. There are fake encounters where police kill the criminal in cold blood for he may get out on bail. "Encounter" being too general term, I think the current title is not good enough. Once the title is decided i will cleanup the article. Angers roams (talk) 04:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Again, please don't move it to one those titles. Wikipedia should call things by the names people use in the real world. You would need to mention in the article that people call these killings "encounter killings" or "police encounters" in any case, there's no reason not to just make one of those the title.Prezbo (talk) 04:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Using a common euphemism as the standard name causes ambiguity with the euphemism's literal meaning. The words "police" and "killing" and "encounter" should all occur in the page title. I prefer "encounter killings by police", because "police encounter killings" may mean "police being killed in encounters". Encounter killings and Police encounter could both redirect to the chosen title (or be disambig pages if other uses of each expression are found). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any ambiguity will be resolved when people read the first sentence. The point of an article title is to tell readers the name of the topic--the name it's most commonly referred to in the real world--not to explain what the topic is.Prezbo (talk) 20:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Encounter killings" are ambiguous for people who dont know the topic. Let me compare google hits "encounter killings"(52k + 44k for killing), "police encounter"(38k) "police encounter killings"(37k +10k for killing), "encounter killings by police"(16k). We can keep it as it is, though the title will remain ambigous. I am unable to reach conclusion as all are very close. Angers roams (talk) 11:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I would vote for Police encounter killings, which doesn't seem to imply "police being killed in encounters", also this title has enough google hits to justify move. Angers roams (talk) 05:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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ExtraJudicial Killing[edit]

The Article begin with "An encounter is a euphemism used in South Asia, especially in India, to describe "extrajudicial killings" in which police or armed forces shoot down suspected gangsters and terrorists in gun battles".The word extrajudicial implies that all police encounters are illegal which is not the case. I think "police shootout" is more apt than extrajudicial killings.Admis please take a note.Prav001 (talk)

source[edit]

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^ (Organization), Human Rights Watch; Shah, Naureen (2009). Broken system: dysfunction, abuse, and impunity in the Indian police. Human Rights Watch. pp. 92–. ISBN 9781564325181. Retrieved 18 June 2010.

Took the notices down[edit]

After some trimming and re-wording I think the intro and body text is acceptable now. Just.

Good references are important, so I've updated some - and removed some unreferenced items.

BTW, I think it's fairly important to keep a clear line between "encounters", which may be a bit questionable; and completely fake "encounters" used to coverup a killing done elsewhere. Snori (talk) 01:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Possible unsubstantiated vandalism[edit]

Hey everyone- I found this in the 'Gujarat' section:

It is notable that the only cases which attracts media attention among the hundreds of fake encounter cases as per the data available at public disposal from NHRC and other authoritative sources, have two specific characteristics as noted below:- 1. The alleged victims are Muslims. 2. The alleged state is a BJP ruled state.

This is uncited, poorly formatted, uses potentially biased language that asserts unsubstantiated conclusions that are inappropriate on an encyclopedia, and as such is potential vandalism under the Vandalism Guidelines. Hence, I suggest immediate removal and discussion. Thanks!

Club-sandwich (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 5 February 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. WP:CONCISE would indicate that the preferred title be Encounter killings, as per the nom. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Encounter killings by police → Encounter killing – For WP:PRECISION, WP:CONCISE and WP:SINGULAR. As acknowledged in the article, some of these killings involve military or paramilitary forces or federal agents, not always police. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:56, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

— Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 15:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Current article title is clearer. The term "police" can be used relatively widely. It is not necessarily limited narrowly to police departments, but can encompass any other authorities deployed by the State in policing activities (paras, etc.). The fact that these killings are undertaken by policing authorities (and not random killings by civilian criminals) is what unites and defines this topic. Some form of that needs to be in the title, to make the topic clear. Otherwise the topic seems to be just about random everyday murders. "Encounter killings by policing authorities" might be more accurate, but unnecessarily wordy. "by police" is succinct and sufficient. And "by police" is how it is phrased constantly throughout the article. Walrasiad (talk) 00:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from potentially implying an overly narrow scope, there is a brevity argument. "Encounter killing" already redirects to this article, and is not an ambiguous term. The extra words are simply unnecessary. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:54, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

OR additions[edit]

@SpinnerLaserzthe2nd: Herein you added a multitude of cats for a whole host of countries which have no mention in the article, if these are to be added you have to find the souces add them to the body and then put the apt cats per WP:V, you cannot insert WP:OR cats into the article.

And wherein in the source you added for Iran is encounter even mentioned once? We have a separate article for extrajudicial killings which is what the article directly pertains to, your addition is a clear violation of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. This article is for the specific term of "encounter killing" and not the broader extrajudicial killings in general, ff you cannot find the apt verifiable sources do not add it. Gotitbro (talk) 19:39, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[(Organization)Shah2009-1] (Organization), Human Rights Watch; Shah, Naureen (2009). Broken system: dysfunction, abuse, and impunity in the Indian police. Human Rights Watch. pp. 92–. ISBN 9781564325181. Retrieved 18 June 2010.

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