Talk:English Table Tennis Association

List of champions

It is not clear how the list of English people who have won various international table tennis tournaments is at all related to the English Table Tennis Association. The association appears to be a recently founded organization (as recently as 2009, based on information on their website), so these champions are likely not to have had any relationship with the organization. I will remove the information if there are no objections voice here. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

To enter World and European championships for example these players will have had to have been representing the England team, or picked to represent England as English players governed by the ETTA. The ETTA have a selection panel that selects players to represent england at these events I have listed. The ETTA is the official national governing body of Table Tennis in England and has been for over 75 years. I have purposefully not included any Olympic results as these are handled by the British Table Tennis Association. May I ask, how am I mean't to cite information that doesn't actually have any citations available except for in official ETTA documentation that might not be available online? It's not my fault the ETTA haven't published their history and therefore I can't cite it. Robin.honey (talk) 15:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The question isn't whether ETTA have published their own history (as this would not constitute a valid source anyway) but whether any reliable source has taken notice of their activities. Admittedly, table tennis is not a sport that garners a lot of high visibility attention, but the fact that I can find very few sources that even mention the group had me very skeptical. I did find a link to ETTA at the European Table Tennis Union's page, which prevented me from considering that the whole ETTA deal was a hoax. It may be that, in the absence of reliable sources verifying anything else, all you can really say about the ETTA is that they are the entity recognized by the ETTU to govern non-olympic table tennis in England. The specific point that the ETTA have been in existence for 75 years is difficult to believe as their website seems only to have been set up in 2009. However, if there are published records from 75 years ago, these would be a valid citation; not all sources have to be available online, they only have to be readily available (i.e. available from a public library or archive, not held in a private collection). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I understand what you are getting at and I will have another go at the ETTA page to see what you think. I still don't see how I can verify the players as ETTA players though. I can reference the ITTF statistics website to verify the data itself, but the players are only listed ENG. In my eyes though it is common knowledge in any sport that to represent your country you have to be picked by the national governing body. I've still not verified a formation date for the ETTA though.

I can find a blog from an ex player and a reference on the ITTF affilations page. The problems with these: the blog is surely not a reliable source, and whilst the ITTF page information is supposedly reliable, it is out of date according to the latest ETTA structure which states Johnny Leach as the President. Have I picked the wrong subject to try and dig up information from? There are simply no reliable sources that like to report on ETTA activity.Robin.honey (talk) 16:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

This does seem to be a difficult area as I've mentioned before. You might want to try to recruit some help from WP:WikiProject Table Tennis. The editors there will have more experience in writing well-sourced table tennis articles and might have access to sources that will help you. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

To my knowledge, English Table Tennis Association is currently a member association of International Table Tennis Federation (ITTF). It's the founding member of ITTF in 1926. Scotland and Wales both have their own table tennis associations in ITTF. It can be found in ITTF directory. More details on ITTF archives. According to ITTF archives 1928, the edition of ITTF handbook mentioned each table tennis association had limited entry for World Championships. MediocreVisitor (talk) 19:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Table Tennis England

Same organisation, the standard option of having one article for the same organisation covering all the names, and renaming the current (longstanding) article is better than creating a new one (or having three articles to also cover the original name) which can as usual contain all the alternative names Widefox; talk 12:36, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Support the merge to one article, but argue that it should be to the current name. Of course, the core of the article can be the text of the longer-standing one, but the article title should match its current common name. It would have been better, of course, for the Table Tennis England page as it stands not to be created, but rather for the English Table Tennis Association to have WP:MOVEed, but we're almost 5 years too late for that. The merge process maintains the history of both pages, so there is no attribution remains in places regardless of the direct of the merge. Klbrain (talk) 21:20, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 02:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)