Talk:English post-Reformation oaths
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Identifying people by surnames[edit]
Would be an idea to extract all the names from the original text (not the text as later edited) and check that we are linking the names correctly. eg. "Hallam" is probably a later one than Robert Hallam, but I don't know for sure. Carcharoth (talk) 16:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- John Milner - definitely the wrong one...
- It's very likely Henry Hallam. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
More identification[edit]
From the article:
The Relief Bills, hitherto mentioned, were generally measures of relief only, leaving the old statutes, oaths, and tests still on the Statute Book, and some of the chief officers of State had still to take them. The actual repeal of the disused tests and oaths of William III have only taken place in quite recent times. In 1867 the Declaration was repealed (30, 31 Vict., c. 75). After this, the only person bound to pronounce the oath was the king himself at the commencement of his reign. In 1871 the Promissory Oaths Bill removed all the old Oaths of Allegiance (34, 35 Vict., c. 48). In 1891 the first attempt was made by Lord Herries in the House of Lords to get rid of the king's Declaration, but the amendments offered by Government were so insignificant that the Catholics themselves voted against their being proposed at all. In 1901 strong resolutions were passed against its retention by the Canadian House of Commons, as also by its hierarchy, and these were emphasized by similar petitions from the hierarchies of Australia, and the Catholics of the English colonies. In 1904, 1905, and 1908 bills or motions to the same effect were introduced by Lord Braye, Lord Grey, Lord Llandaff, the Duke of Norfolk, and Mr. Redmond, but without the desired effect. After the death of King Edward VII, however, King George V is believed to have urged the Government to bring in a repealing Act. This was done and public opinion, after some wavering, finally declared itself strongly on the side of the Bill, which was carried through both Houses by large majorities, and received Royal Assent on 3 August, 1910, thus removing the last anti-Catholic oath or declaration from the English Constitution.
The following should be checked:
- Lord Herries - is it one of these: Lord Herries?
- Lord Braye - is this a reference to Baron Braye?
- Lord Grey - is it one of these: Lord Grey?
- Lord Llandaff - is this a reference to Henry Matthews, 1st Viscount Llandaff? The bit at the bottom "LORD LLANDAFF (MATTHEWS), The Papal Declaration in Report of the Ninth Eucharistic Congress held at Westminster, 1908, 50" seems to confirm this.
- the Duke of Norfolk - is this a reference to Henry Fitzalan-Howard, 15th Duke of Norfolk?
- Mr. Redmond - is this a reference to John Redmond?
Any confirmations or corrections, please add here and in the article. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 23:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Abbreviations[edit]
Aha! wikisource:Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Abbreviations will be very helpful! Carcharoth (talk) 20:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)