Talk:Erling Folkvord

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Good articleErling Folkvord has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
January 30, 2010Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 20, 2009.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Norwegian communist politician Erling Folkvord (pictured) is well-known for his work as a corruption watchdog?
In the newsA news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on March 9, 2024.

Contradictory info on parliamentary work[edit]

"He was a member of the Standing Committee on Finance in 1992, a Member of Parliament from 1993-1997". The standing committee is a part of the parliament, so he would have to have been a parliamentarian also at that point. I notice that also the Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia presents this contradiction. It should be cleard up. __meco (talk) 23:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --TIAYN (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now, should we really have details about which parliamentary committees he was a member of in the lead? __meco (talk) 20:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Working on it. --TIAYN (talk) 14:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Done --TIAYN (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganizing needed[edit]

The decription of the 1983 local election in Oslo goes into minute details and perhaps even anecdotal information that is unnecessary. This should be pruned. Also the Turkey incident should go into a separate section as it is lost where it currently is. Also, the mention of the photograph which was confiscated appears as somewhat digressive, and without further information I find it non-notable. __meco (talk) 16:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There does not exist any detailed information about his campaign in 1983... --TIAYN (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No more information on the topic, most of the news sources just said he was arrested in Turkey and thats it.. No more info. I can remove the information about the image, but that would minimize the information we have about the topic. --TIAYN (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK / GA[edit]

I was considering nominating this article for WP:DYK, however, I believe it is too much in need of copy-editing and pruning in its current state to be presented on the front page. That in my perception also means it has no chance of attaining GA status before these issues are resolved. When the article becomes better organized and proof-read I will consider DYK'ing it. __meco (talk) 16:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead a nominated it for DYK seeing that the above could be done rather swiftly. __meco (talk) 17:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Erling Folkvord/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Arsenikk (talk) 13:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a fair bit of copyediting. In addition to removing a few grammatical abnormalities and removin some Norwenglish, I have shortened down some sections simply because there are a lot more efficient ways of saying the same thing. For instance, the lead now says exactly the same thing, but says the most important information first, and uses less words.

  •  Done There is a fair bit of overlinking. Things like Oslo and national convention are probably linked ten times.
  •  Done Don't put a comma between the month and year if there is only a month and a year.
  •  Done Possesive has an ' (e.g. Folkvord's pie)
  •  Done Ankara, not Ancara
  •  Done You can't say the most important of these polls was Aftenposten's, and then cite it to aftenposten.
  •  Done Find a new header instead of "Late 90s-2003 election". Use an endash and the full 1990s, but an accurate date would be a lot better.
  •  Done What was the total result in the 1999-election?
  •  Done I presume RV elects their leaders, instead of the incumbent appointing their successor?
  •  Done '1990s', not '90s'.
  •  Done Semicolons seem to consequently be used incorrectly, and in most instances should be replaced with a colon.
  • Is it really the national convention that appoints Oslo RV's top candidate?
Landsmøte -> National Convention? --TIAYN (talk) 15:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The translation is fine. It was just that it is common that the annual meeting in the county appoint the MP candidates for their county. Of course, since RV only has a chance at two seats, they may have a different policy. Just trying to make sure things are correct. Arsenikk (talk) 16:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Don't force image sizes.
  •  Done What was the result of the 2007 election for RV?
  •  Done Perhaps add a note that Dahle runs for Hordaland.
  •  Done what was the result of the 2009 election for RV?
  •  Done There is probably a better article to link 'Turkish government forces' to than Turkey.
  • Why on earth does "Social Agencies Union" link to Erling Folkvord.
Un-notable organization with no news coverage as i can see, he is the leader and the only notable member as i know of, so...
  •  Done "Corruption", "humanity", "illegal" and "watch dog" are all dismabiguation pages.
  •  Done Utdannignsforbundet translate to Union of Education Norway.
  • How can Jorunn Folkvord be a 'prominent' member of RV/AKP if she isn't even a politician?
She was a member of the two, and an active member. She was also the leader of RU. This is what the sources say.
 Done With prominent, I would have interpreted it as one of the top three-four figures of the party for a longer period of time. Since this is rather vague (and a weasel word, it is best to not use it. Arsenikk (talk) 16:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Don't duplicate references as external links. Ideal articles have no external links.

I am placing the article on hold. For you next nomination, I would expect the article to have less overlinking. Also try to remember to use 's for possessive. In addition, I would have liked to see more about the four years he was in parliament, which should have been his climax. There is no discussion about what he did or took up during those four years. Also, please take a good look at the diff of my copyedit. There are a lot of style and grammar issues that need to be improved (learning by doing etc.) Arsenikk (talk) 13:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • For a good article I think his authorship should be covered better. He has written quite many books. It doesn't belong in the "personal life" section. Geschichte (talk) 22:53, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i'll fix it... --TIAYN (talk) 10:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still working on it. --TIAYN (talk) 17:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I won't comment on any other part of the article, but still, what has his authorship got to do with his family? Geschichte (talk) 21:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done --TIAYN (talk) 22:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is now passed. Arsenikk (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The corruptions uncovered[edit]

I hope and suggest that articles or at least one article will be written specifically on the matters of public and private corruption uncovered by Erling Folkvord. That is definitely encyclopedic and notable subject matter but may necessitate some work. __meco (talk) 22:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've never thought of that, but that was a pretty good idea. --TIAYN (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's really an entire sector of public life that is hardly being covered by Wikipedia at all, i.e. the life and woes of local government hierarchies in addition to various aspects of commercial sectors. __meco (talk) 12:58, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you, its especially worrying when you look at none-anglo-saxon articles. --TIAYN (talk) 17:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Popularity[edit]

The last sentence in the lead, "Folkvord is known as a highly respected and popular politician, even among voters on the political right.", needs a more up-to-date reference than a news article from 1992. I am myself a member of the Norwegian Young Conservatives, and I have never met any rightist who has had anything positive to say about Folkvord. The sentence should either be removed or given a better reference. --Eisfbnore (talk) 20:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedic?[edit]

"He grew to be one of the most influential far-left socialists in Norway, but he has struggled with popular support during elections, Folkvord is known as a highly respected and popular politician, even among voters on the political right.[1] " --Sølvguttene (talk) 05:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly encyclopedic. I don't see why it wouldn't be. Btw. WP:UNENCYC is a very poor argument in any discussion. I do have a problem with the reference for this information though. It's listed as
  • "RV-Folkvord på Stortinget" (in Norwegian). Norwegian News Agency. January 20, 1992. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
The Norwegian News Agency (NTB) is a content provider, but not a publisher directly to the public. For this information to be checked one would have to have a publication which carried this report. Admittedly this shouldn't be that hard to retrieve as usually quite a few newspapers across Norway carry NTB's dispatches, but this incomplete citation does give someone wanting to check up on the original text an additional challenge. __meco (talk) 10:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, also see my comment in the section over. A news report from 1992 is in no way an adequate source for his current popularity. Who are these "voters on the political right"? I haven't met one. Eisfbnore talk 14:14, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't read the previous section. I agree that a 1992 news report can only attest to his popularity then. Of course, that is also relevant, but it has to be added to the text that this was the situation 18 years ago. __meco (talk) 15:10, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I fear we have revealed quite a scary aspect of this article: It depends solely on (offline) newspaper reports, and—as far as I can see—no scholarly articles. How can a NTB report from 1994 be verifying his current political beliefs? Here's a quote from the article:


How do we know, 16 years later, that he still is against the EU because of German imperialism? I mean, we don't need to cite that the sky is blue, but maybe he is anti-EU today because of something else, say, French imperialism? This is really something of a BLP-issue. Eisfbnore talk 00:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit Feb 2011[edit]

Hi

During the copyedit a few points came to light that may need to be dealt with:

General:

  • Done Usage of "first candidate" and "second candidate" can sometimes mislead into a possible interpretation as "the fiorst one ever" rather than "the lead candidate" or similar.

Lead:

  • Done "and again since 1999." in the lead - Does this mean he has been a member a few times since then or that he has been a member from 1999 to the present day?
  • Done "Deputy Leader of the Red Electoral Alliance with Chris Hartmann" - Is this a joint post, if so should that not be in there, it sounds a little odd as it is.

Early life...:

  • Done "son of school manager Sverre Folkvord" - what exactly is a school manager?
  • Done "Social School of Trondheim" - is it not just a University College like any other?
  • Working "breached the pimp paragraph of the criminal code" - Is there really an officially titled "pimp paragraph" in Norwegian Law? Also is it a criminal code or of Norwegian Law? Normally the criminal code has rules such as "Don't be a snitching rat" and "Protection money not paid will result in broken legs" etc. :¬)

Council representative:

  • Done "first municipal department in Oslo. While media speculated that he would become leader of the chapter, he denied any such allegations, saying their existed" - Municipal department, is this the same as "The department of Public works", or a municipal corough council. We do not normally refer to them as chapters. May need clarifying.

Parliament:

  • Done "way to organize Folkvord's Oslo campaign" - was this a campaign which used Oslo for a publicity centre, or was this the campaign for election to the Oslo parliamentary seat?
  • Done "Folkvord later turned to Bjørn Tore Godal, the then Minister of Foreign Affairs." - turned to him for what?
  • Correct "took a picture of Folkvord during the event." - If it was later burnt by the police when they saw he had a camera, either there was not picure (negative) and no-one saw it, or there was one but no-one else saw it. I went with "It was claimed that..." but obviously if that is incorrect please change it back.

1999 to 2003:

  • Done "since Myhre would resign if she..." and "When commenting on his resignation, Myhre commented on his 2001" - unclear if Myhre is male or female.

Chaosdruid (talk) 21:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be working on this! :) --TIAYN (talk) 21:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As always, after such a long edit I take a break and then reread it, but I think you have it pretty much under control :¬)
And, as always, feel free to undo anything which you feel I made incorrect, I am not that familiar with Norwegian politics!
Good luck Chaosdruid (talk) 22:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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