Talk:Ernst Ludwig Wilhelm von Bismarck

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Genesis[edit]

See a discussion from 17–21 February 2014 at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language from that came a translation of the main source used to date:

Ernst Ludwig Wilhelm, S. des Georg Wilhelm I (Nr. 174) und der Friederike Luise Eleonore v. Alvensleben, geb. zu Magdeburg 7. April 1772, gefallen vor dem Feinde beim Sturm auf Namur 20. Juni 1815, Oberst und seit 4. Juli 1800 Johanniterritter auf Briest und Demker. — 17. Oktober 1785 wurde er auf die Kommende Werben expektoriert. 1799 Grenadierkapitän beim Regiment v. Kleist in Madgeburg. 1811 Oberstwachtmeister in Regiment Fußgarde Sr. Majestät zu Potsdam. 1815 Oberstleutnant und sehr bald darauf Oberst. Gemahlin: zu Bittkau 10. November 1807 Sophie Charlotte v. Plotho, T. des Edlen Herrn auf Bittkau und der Charlotte v. Itzenplitz a.d.H Grieben.

Ernst Ludwig Wilhelm, son of Georg Wilhelm I (No. 174) and Friederike Luise Eleonore von Alvensleben, born in Magdeburg 7 April 1772, fallen before the enemy during the storming of Namur 20 June 1815, colonel and, from 4 July 1800, knight of the Order of Saint John in Briest and Demker. [Briest, like Demker, is now part of the town of Tangerhütte. This region was the base of the Briest line of the Bismarcks. See the German genealogy here.] On 17 October 1785 he was commended ^{[? - this is a strange usage of "expektoriert" and I'm not sure of the translation]} to the Kommende of Werben [the headquarters of the Order of Saint John]. 1799 grenadier captain in the regiment of Kleist in Magdeburg. 1811 major in the regiment foot guard of his majesty in Potsdam. 1815 lieutenant colonel and soon thereafter colonel. Wife: In Bittkau 10 November 1807 Sophie Charlotte von Plotho, daughter of Edler Lord Bittkau and of Charlotte von Itzenplitz of the house of Grieben. Six children 1. Pauline, 2. Levine Mathilde, 3. Amalie Ottilie(?) Marie, 4. Tassilo(?), 5. Hugo, 6. Luise.

from Schmidt, Georg (1908). Das Geschlecht von Bismarck. E. Trewendt. p. 155.

-- PBS (talk) 15:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Uncle Bismarck[edit]

This This edit by Medeis inserted the information that "and uncle of the future chancellor of the German Empire, Otto von Bismarck". This can be supported by two sources.

copied from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language

Unfortunately I cannot access the referenced volume from where I am located, nevertheless the claim in the article that he is an uncle of the famous chancellor is unsubstantiated. He seems to be a rather distant relative, see Bismarck family or the family of his father in relation to the family of the chancellor. --Pp.paul.4 (talk) 13:06, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I had considered including that information when I wrote the article as it can be found in two sources for which can be accessed on line,

" 1st Elbe LWIR: In 1814, Oberst-Lt von Bismarck, Uncle of the future Chancellor of Imperial Germany.... Their commander, Oberst von Bismarck, was killed at Namur (20 June). ( Prussian Napoleonic Landwehr Infantry and Cavalry 1808-1815: Landsturm, Volunteer Cavalry and Streifkorpsmore by Stephen Summerfield, page 46)
"Also killed was Colonel von Bismarck, commander of the 1st Elbe Landwehr and uncle of the future Chancellor of united Germany" (On the Fields of Glory: The Battlefields of the 1815 Campaign, by page 313)

(I can/will not supply a link to the first one because it is on a Wikipedia black list but a Google search on "Uncle of the future Chancellor of Imperial Germany" will return it.)

but I agree with Pp.paul.4 I think that these two sources are military histories only mentioning the subject of this biography in passing. As there are good reasons for thinking that he was a more distant relative than uncle I have removed the information. It may be that with further discussion and research here, it will be shown that the uncle information ought to be included.

Unfortunately the article House of Bismarck does not show the family tree to any great extent however the German article de:Bismarck (Adelsgeschlecht) does make it clearer. Although it does not yet include the subject of this biography it does include his father.

-- PBS (talk) 16:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]