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Should there be mentions

Of the allegations of homo/bisexuality levelled at Aarseth by, among others, Varg Vikernes? I mean, Vikernes had no reason to like Aarseth, but unless it's demonstratably been proven false, putting it up might be of interest... Just saying his death was surrounded by rumours, is that enough? --Edward Wakelin 6 July 2005 22:05 (UTC)

Well, the Norwegian news media sensationalized Aarseth's murder because he was a member of the "heathen" and "occult" black metal community. Probably-bogus theories of 'inner circle' power struggles were common in stories about the murder. The homosexuality allegations are likely of the same stock, ie bogus claims meant to further demonize a controversial figure. While it hasn't been demonstrably proven false, there is also no proof for it. Vikernes obviously hated Aarseth with a passion (he did murder the guy :o), and Vikernes is a known believer in aryan supremecism, a worldview that often despises homosexuality as well, so I wouldn't put it past him to make things up to justify his murder to his peers in the black metal/national socialist community. I think a mention of the crazy allegations would serve this article better than sections outlining specific ones. The allegations themselves are not that important, IMO. --Styrbjorn 7 July 2005 05:45 (UTC)

The article does mention Aarseth's penchant for sodomy, but I'm not sure what that specifies. I think we can infer that, since acts of sodomy (up to and including homosexual intercourse) are decried by Christianity, Aarseth's desire to go against everything Christianity stands for is a good argument for his own homosexuality or bisexuality. But that's just speculating on my part. Spartacusprime 16:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is speculation and that's what makes it a truly terrible argument on Wikipedia. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Varg most likely said this because he hated Euronymous. RIP Euronymous (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that if true, "Aarseth's penchant for sodomy" would be a good argument for his heterosexuality, since sodomy "refers to anal sex or other non-penile/vaginal copulation-like acts, especially between male persons or between a person and an animal", but this is only speculation. Nite-Sirk (talk) 18:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Basslines

The basslines in recent prints of DMDS weren't removed, as far as I can tell. I just bought the album yesterday and I can hear them clearly in some parts, like at five minutes into Life Eternal or at the very beginning of Pagan Fears. I'll edit that out in a bit when I'm not too obscenely lazy to reword a couple things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.148.20.250 (talk) 19:59, March 5, 2006 (UTC)

Suicide pictures

It should be noted that Euronymous wanted the picture of Dead's suicide to be the cover of De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas. It was Necrobutcher who objected to this. The final cover picture (which I believe is a church in England) was chosen by Hellhammer after Euronymous had already died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.73.199.69 (talk) 168:03, September 15, 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a source on this? First I've heard about it, and the church is in Norway as far as I know. XdiabolicalX 16:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wish I had a link to it. It was an interview with Metalion (puclisher of Slayer magazine) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.73.199.69 (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Genuine?

Shouldn't there be some discussion about Aarseth's seriousness when saying controversial stuff? I mean if you read some of the things that he has said it seems to me that much of what he said and claimed to do were done just to make himself look evil, following the "evil" trend in bm he set. I know he said some things about the church burnings pretty much claiming resposibilty for them by claiming to be the leader of the 'inner circle' to make it look like he was involved when it is doubtful if he was.

He had also been a member of the 'Marxist-Leninist' 'Communist Worker's' Party,'(source - Lords of Chaos) which is in conflict with his supposed fascistic satanist band, which Hellhammer claimed to be offended by. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.168.240 (talk) 20:01, January 13, 2007 (UTC)

Euronymous was fanatical about political extremism and totatitarianism, yet never actually embraced the whole concept of communism itself. His agenda was merely one of destruction, control and brutality, that's why he praised Stalin. It's been commonly misconceived that the Black Metal Musicians were on the whole fascist or Nazi, after all Euronymous had befriended and/or appraised/endorsed musicians from countries such as South America, Israel and Japan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Prime (talk • contribs) 21:15, January 21, 2007

Interview

The link to the second interview page seems to be a blind link. I would be grateful is this could be fixed.

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While our beloved Aarseth had communistic political ideas, he also was one of the best black metal musicians, and also true to what he actually began. He did more for black metal than anyone in history. Just ask anyone who actually knew him. I find it disturbing tthat anyone should downgrade him to something he was not... he WAS the originator of modern BLACK FUCKING METAL. No doubt, no question. True. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.233.202 (talk) 04:34, April 10, 2007 (UTC)

That's a bit incredulous don't you think? Euronymous happily promoted political extremism etc. That doesn't negate his role in the development of black metal, as a matter of fact, it's rather important, especially as people are ideologically generalising black metal musicians with this anti-establishment crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Prime (talk • contribs) 13:04, May 20, 2007

I have read in some interviews that he liked all the communists because they were tyrants, etc.Wayavas1337 19:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct. Although he didn't (directly) promote his politics in his music, there was hardly any contradiction between the two, given his adoration for brutality etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Prime (talk • contribs) 20:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Catagory: Crimes involving Satanism or the occult

Does this really count as involving Satanism or the Occult? More an arguement over money than anything else. Arthulian (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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'though' / 'smiled'

As much as I think people like Euroboy are good for little else than to laugh at in black metal, the 'though' in: 'Aarseth discovered the corpse and took pictures later used for a bootleg cover, though against Aarseth's wishes.' quite clearly insinuates an opinion that it's 'bad' to use such things as a cover, I opt for the word in question be simply removed.

Secondly: 'Vikernes actually smiled at the moment his verdict was read, an image that was widely reprinted in the news media.' gives away the impression that Vargiboy was 'proud' or 'happy' with the outcome, while his 'smile' was clearly more of an insecure 'God, I can't believe they actually did it.' smile, more akin to when your child does some-thing extremely inappropriate and/or stupid but understandable for the youngster's age to which you say 'Aww.. you little cheeky brat..', the 'actually' there just as much insinuates an opinion.213.84.222.243 (talk) 09:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As for the former point, if I remember correctly Euronymous intended the image to be used for De Mysteriss Dom Sathanas, hence his opposition to the use of the image on the 'Dawn of the Black Hearts' bootleg cover. 90.196.92.177 (talk) 23:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As for the latter point, Vikernes himself has stated before that the smile was in pride. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.74.116.49 (talk) 16:41, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism?

I strongly don't believe that Euronymous was associated with Legos, Horn and the checker patrol, just wondering if someone can remove this.--FailureAtDeath (talk) 01:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently he was involved with such bands (L.E.G.O etc.( in his younger days. It's been noted elsewhere, and I wouldn't be surprised either (as even in his black metal days he liked electronica etc.). Restoring. Dark Prime (talk) 12:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Euronymous vs. Eurynomos

The article says "misspelled from Eurynomos by both Aarseth and Hellhammer", but this supposed misspelling might have been intentional. I'm aware that according to wikipedia it is spelled Euronymous in the Satanic Bible as well, and that might have been where Hellhammer and Aarseth got it from. However, there is no source for any of this here, so I suggest that what I quoted is removed from the article. 80.202.209.162 (talk) 11:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The original spelling is "Eurynomos", but it was first misspelled "Euronymous" in the Satanic Bible. It is possible that the band Hellhammer (although I know quite little about them and Celtic Frost) derived it from the Satanic Bible, and Aarseth in turn derived it from Hellhammer. Keep the quote. Dark Prime (talk) 13:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On second thoughts, I've removed some words from the sentence - as they imply Aarseth and Hellhammer were responsible for the mispelling, which probably is not the case.

On the other hand, I've removed the mention of Hellhammer and added this:

he changed his name to Euronymous, derived from the demon Eurynomos (although the spelling was incorrect).

We're going to need some good sources in order to approach this properly. Unless this was a coincidence, it seems more likely that Aarseth took his name from the Satanic Bible (ironically, though perhaps this was before he developed his disdain for LaVey) than the Hellhammer song, as the latter retains the original spelling while the former is also spelt "Euronymous" as mentioned already. Dark Prime (talk) 14:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is better now, but it is still a little speculative, i.e. calling the spelling incorrect. As I said in my first comment, that might have been intentional. He could very well have known the demon's name is spelled Eurynomos but chose to name himself Euronymous. In that case there is no incorrectness. So I think

(although the spelling is different)

is better. Actually I think it's best to just leave that part out, readers can read the difference themselves. Either way, that removes the spelling speculation. 80.202.209.162 (talk) 15:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and removed it. 80.202.209.162 (talk) 10:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Individualism - RHP

This sentence "He admittedly held a disdain for individualism[8]; a mindset which later on would be a motivating factor for the hostility of many black metal musicians towards Right-Hand Path religions." seems at least counterintuitive to me since RHP traditions also reject individualism, and Satanism is essentially mystical egotism. I'm gonna remove if nobody's got objections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.172.205.113 (talk) 00:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What I meant is that individualism motivated the hostilities of many black metal musicians later on towards these religions. For Euronymous, such was not the case. Retaining sentence. Dark Prime (talk) 20:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation?

Can someone please add an IPA transcription of the Norwegian pronunciation of "Øystein Aarseth"? I speak fluent Swedish (though not natively) and even I can't figure out how this is supposed to be pronounced...the situation is probably even more hopeless for those not familiar with the Scandinavian languages. 128.146.172.51 (talk) 16:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lies by Vikernes and my last edit

The way the lies are quoted in this section has to be changed. I normally do know how articles are supposed to deal with such issues, my reaction may also be due the fact that any uncritical repetition of what Vikernes says (especially when it’s about Euronymous) still angers me. Racial and homophobic comments about Euronymous can be found in Lords of Chaos, there being no proof Euronymous was gay (nor for the opposite, doesn’t matter to me anyway). To see how contradictory his lies are, see Euronymous, Glass fragments 2009, Glass fragments part 2, Fantoft, Lindisfarne and Black Metal or Until the liar takes us (including parts of the Until the Light Takes Us DVDs bonus interview). I know this is a weblog, but it’s sourced, and most sources Chagrynn used can even be found on the internet. And it’s really worth reading. --217/83 00:12, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The 1993 radio interview

You can listen to the interview here (part 1) and here (part 2). The uploader says that the interview was probably in February or March 1993 but doesn't giv the name of the radio show. Unfortunatly, as it's a YouTube video, the link can't be included with the reference. If enyone can find a transcript with the name and date of the show, please post a link here. Thanks. ~Asarlaí 10:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think I actually know the recording, but my point was that the reference in the article isn’t sufficient. Does anyone here have a YouTube account and could ask the person who uploaded it which radio show this was taken from? --217/83 10:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the video comments, a couple of people hav written that it's from a metal radio show calld Rockbox, hosted by Leif Edling of Candlemass. However, the show seemingly stopt broadcasting in 1989. Do you think we should remove it until a more reliable source is found? ~Asarlaí 11:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure; a source should be traceable, so if you come up with precise information, it may stay. You can mask the information with  tags until then. His views on Satanism and Black Metal can be sourced with other interviews anyway, like the one by Esa Lahdenpera; but the idea that Christianity should become more extreme when churches are burnt is something I rather associate with the early Vikernes, so this is an excellent passage and it would be great if that could be more precisely sourced. --217/83 11:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Norwegian Air Shuttle Case of 2012

I guess the Norwegian Air Shuttle case about the rear wing paintings deserves to be included. Matti Nuortio, Oulu, Finland (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Self-published sources

This article relied heavily on burzum.org, which is the personal blog of Varg Vikernes. Since it is a self published source it is not an appropriate Wikipedia source. Also, we should be very careful about using such an obviously biased source. Varg Vikernes has every reason to lie or make excuses for his role. Plus, he is alive while Euronymous is not, so Euronymous cannot defend himself. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 08:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Exact same issue I pointed out five bloody years ago. Varg's blog keeps being used as a source. The guy is the bloody murderer. He's not a reliable source. He has every reason to spin and deflect. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:12, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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