Talk:FGM (disambiguation)

Redirecting to Female genital mutilation

I'd like to redirect FGM to the above, as it seems from a Google search that it's the main target. This page would be moved to FGM (disambiguation), and I'd add a hatnote to the top of Female genital mutilation. I'm checking here first to make sure no one minds. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 16:07, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move? (September 2013)

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{{Requested move/dated|FGM (disambiguation)}}

FGM is most commonly associated with Female genital mutilation, so I would like to redirect the abbreviation to the article. On 23 September I asked on Talk:FGM if anyone minds, and there has been no reply, so I'm assuming it's okay to go ahead. The target page has been edited, so I can't make the move without using the tools. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:32, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting here that Anthony Appleyard opened the RM, [1] and copied posts 65.92.181.39 and I had made elsewhere. [2] [3] SlimVirgin ^(talk) 18:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Object to speedy move that's a disambiguation page talk page, so is unlikely to get people looking at it. I think this should be a full-up requested move. -- 65.92.181.39 (talk) 05:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Object until more of a case is put together, not just Google hits per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Widefox; talk 15:26, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: As Anthony opened this with my signature without letting me know, I've asked him to close it to give me time to gather whatever evidence I need, [4] because I don't have time to do it right now. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 18:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Closed at request of User:SlimVirgin who started this move idea — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Appleyard (talk • contribs) 20:23, 1 October 2013

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Question

This page was started in 2003 as an abbreviation for female genital mutilation, and that what's returned most of the time when you search Google, Google Books and Google News. I can see a few entries for functionally graded material. Is there any evidence for the other entries on this page that they are known as FGM? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 18:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is still a disambiguation page talk page, so is unlikely to get anyone looking at it (as stated at RMTR). Asking at Village Pump or Reference Desk would be a better choice. Not having responses here is not an indication of not having alternate uses, since people ignore disambiguation page talk (or so I have found whenever I look at disambiguation page talk pages for discussion outside of bannered process discussions such as a full-up requested move; which usually are years old before responses get filed, if ever. ). -- 65.92.181.39 (talk) 05:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing improper about a properly formed {{WP:RM]] move discussion taking place on the talk page of a disambiguation page. It happens all the time. If appropriate, notifications for the discussions can be placed on other pages where there might be interest in the discussion. older ≠ wiser 12:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't an RM discussion, it's a regular discussion, as is the first discussion at the top of the page. The only discussion that would reasonably attract attention would be a full RM discussion. -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 05:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SlimVirgin ok, I understand. If you ping us when you want us back that might speed it up for you, regards Widefox; talk 13:34, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 03 October 2013

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FGM → FGM (disambiguation) – I'm proposing that this page be moved to the disambiguation title so that FGM can be redirected to Female genital mutilation, the primary topic, with the usual hatnote. More information below. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:11, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support as nominator. Some evidence that Female genital mutilation is the primary topic:

Female genital mutilation is ranked 739 in traffic on enwiki. It received over 1.2 million hits during the last 12 months. The abbreviation FGM is in widespread use for it by academics and physicians, [5] [6] the media, [7] [8] and international agencies, including the World Health Organization [9] and United Nations. [10] Amnesty calls its campaign to end female genital mutilation "END FGM." [11]
FGM had 892 page views in September. The article these readers are most likely searching for can be deduced by the page views of the alternatives. For September these were: Female genital mutilation: 124,513; Flux-gate magnetometer: 14; Free gingival margin: 250; and Functionally graded material: 917.
When googling "FGM" (10,400,000 results), almost every hit for the first few pages is for female genital mutilation.
Google.com: "Female genital mutilation + FGM": 3,540,000; "Flux-gate magnetometer + FGM": 111,000; "Free gingival margin + FGM": 80; "Functionally graded material + FGM": 224,000.
Google Books: "Female genital mutilation + FGM": 60,700; "Flux-gate magnetometer + FGM": 12; "Free gingival margin + FGM": 34; "Functionally graded material + FGM": 88.
Google Scholar: "Female genital mutilation + FGM": 4,640; "Flux-gate magnetometer + FGM": 43; "Free gingival margin + FGM": 128; "Functionally graded material + FGM": 2,540.

Based on the above, Female genital mutilation is the most likely target page when readers type in FGM. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:12, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Good work SV in laying out an excellent statistical case for a primary topic. bd2412 T 19:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support yes good work. Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the long-term significance (as an academic and medical term rather than a news topic) should be OK too - rather than the current Google hits which are biased towards now-ness. Widefox; talk 19:35, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems a pretty clear case. older ≠ wiser 20:08, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's hard to present conclusive evidence in a case like this, but the OP above and my experience confirms that the move would precisely fit PRIMARYTOPIC. Johnuniq (talk) 00:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
support seems that the dominant usage is as the nominator proposes. -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 05:07, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support: appears to be primary topic. PamD 17:00, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support: This term is primary in terms of usage and long-term significance and seems to be often used without expansion in academia and even the media. I, for one, am not familiar with the other three terms. 90.201.128.211 (talk) 18:19, 4 October 2013 (UTC) (User:Joeblakesley unable to login)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Pinging @Widefox:. The IP editor can't be pinged and has now changed his IP, but I'm assuming s/he'll notice this. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank's for the heads up -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 05:02, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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