Talk:FIDE World Chess Championship 2005

old talk[edit]

I beleive the "Chg" column in the crosstable to be inaccurate. As stellar as Topalov's performance was, he is not going to gain 102 rating points for it, for a world-record rating of 2890. His true point gain will be impressive enough. --Fritzlein 20:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, that column means his performance rating was 102 points above his current rating, if I'm not mistaken. --causa sui ^talk 22:28, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, right you are. Those look exactly like performance rating numbers. It isn't wrong numbers, it is a misleading column heading of "Chg". --Fritzlein 15:20, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting question is, under what terms was Kramnik invited to play? Would he have had to sign a contract to recognize the winner at San Luis as the Champion? If so, it is quite understandable that he would decline to play. --Fnord

second/third place[edit]

I reverted the standings and placed Anand second again, above Svidler, because that was their result according to the rules used in the tournament. As the article says, the first tie-break was the direct result between the two players (two draws in this case), the second tie-break was the number of wins (Anand 5, Svidler 4). Anyway, don't change the horizontal positions in a crosstable without changing the verticals as well! (update: that last remark is also a note to self) David Sneek 07:24, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(16 years later!) According to the tournament regulations [1] [2], tie breaks were only used for first. Admittedly those regulations are from April 2005; but in the absence of later regulations contradicting this, we should be saying it was a tie for second. Adpete (talk) 01:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, this article by Jonathan Speelman says tie-breaks were used for second, "They split the prize money but if there is another FIDE World Championship knockout then Anand will be seeded through further than him [Svidler]." [3]. So I will just leave the article as is! Though some or all of those citations should go in. Adpete (talk) 02:02, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

THE World Championship???[edit]

Putting aside those, including myself, who think this tournament obviously had nothing to do with the World Championship whatsoever (the World Championship is a one-on-one match between the sitting title-holder and the challenger)... the idea that this supertournament was THE World Championship is just ludicrous. This is, at the least, debated. In the opinion of many (most? I would hope), it isn't even connected with the World Championship at all. Double round robins of this caliber are not world championships, they're supertournaments. There's a difference. The World Champion is not determined by tournament play, but by match play.

Anna_Ushenina became Women's World Chess Champion November 2012 after a 64-player knockout event, should her title be discarded as well? Fourtytwoplus (talk) 18:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Morozevich's inclusion in this tournament[edit]

According to the section Morozevich qualified by rating, but in the tables both Svidler and Polgar had higher rating than him (2738 and 2735 against 2707). Something is wrong here, and the reference cited is not working. Someone more knowledgeable please check. Banedon (talk) 02:29, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing the ratings in the article refer to the time of the tournament, i.e. September 2005. FIDE announced the selected players in April 2005, and used the average of the July 2004 and January 2005 lists. (I'm not sure why they didn't use October 2004, because back then the list came out once every 3 months). An archive of the FIDE announcement is here: https://web.archive.org/web/20050508210853/http://www.fide.com/news.asp?id=691 . The TWIC link is now here http://theweekinchess.com/html/twic546.html but the FIDE link has a bit more detail. I've added that, though someone might want to tidy up the format of my links. Adpete (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm ... clicking the link for Morozevich [4] actually gives his rating as 2741. That would explain things neatly. I'm going to assume the 2707 rating was an error. Banedon (talk) 05:41, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2741 was his rating in January 2005. But the last rating list before the tournament was July 2005, and in that ratings list his rating was indeed 2707. A full table of his rating progress is here: https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=4116992 Adpete (talk) 06:47, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

re judit: small scale here means something like 'finals'?[edit]

quote: 'Polgár's participation made the FIDE World Chess Championship 2005 the first and so far only (as of 2022) small-scale World Chess Championship to have involved a female player.' and 'Judit Polgár had previously played in World Chess Championships where the title was decided by knockout matches. Those championships however involved over a hundred players.'

So I can imagine females participated in the FIDE Fischer Random 2022 qualifiers but well the equivalent of Judit would be if a female got into the top 8 (or maybe top 32 or something) ? In this case 'finals' refers to the whole event at the end of october in iceland rather than just the hikaru vs nepo. Thewriter006 (talk) 07:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]