Talk:Fanny Brawne

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New article[edit]

Congrats on re-starting the article. The stub was deleted last year, unwisely, I thought.

You say in the lead that "it has been suggested that “he was thinking of Fanny Brawne as he wrote his last and greatest sonnet”[1], Bright Star." Gittings says it had been started long before he met her (Gittings (1968) p293-8) and revised it for her (See Fanny Brawne). He also kept revising it till he left England for Rome. It is also suggested that there are strong elements of his relationship with Isabella reflected in it. His mate Severn always swore Keats wrote it for him. I think it's fairly unclear when he stared writing it and who he was thinking about...

Also - I couldn't quite tell from the article, but it sounds like it suggests Fanny moved into Wentworth before Keats. In Gittings' and Motion's Keats biographies they make it clear Keats had moved in well before Fanny and her mother arrived, though they had visited often before they moved in.

Keats Biographies such as Gittings, Bate and Motion might offer other perspectives on the relationship. Best wishes Spanglej (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heart attacks and balance[edit]

Hi Mars1013. You mention in the section Time with Keats "on 6 March 1820, Keats suffered a violent heart attack;" I don't have the Richardson source you mention but looking my three biogs of Keats (Bate, Gitting and Motion) I find no mention of heart attack that day, or suggestion of it. They say he had bad lung haemorrhages but to my knowledge or research, there's no history or record of cardio problems. Could you check the ref? It would be interesting to add to the Keats article if someone thinks he could have had a heart attack - i wonder what the primary source could have been?

Also - I would flag up the perfidious difficulty of sourcing the Keats/Brawne relationship discussed here. Many of their friends, family and (very artistic) colleagues tell wildly different tales about what happened, when and why. The biographers too strongly disagree about the strength and bias of primary sources. Even Keats seems to wildly exaggerate (in his role as the romantic poet) - swept up in the throes of love on Thursday and ready to throw himself off a cliff by Sunday afternoon. Their circles seem to be riven with competitiveness, jealousy and general high feeling. It might be well to introduce a strand of historiographical context into the reporting that all commentary may not be all it seems.

It's great to see the article grow and bloom like a hyacinth. Best wishes Spanglej (talk) 02:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bio references[edit]

Thanks for all of the suggestions! I'm new to this entire process, and a critical eye is very welcome.

Unfortunately Richardson doesn't list references directly, so I can't figure out exactly where "heart attack" is mentioned. Presumably that detail is in a letter written by either Keats or Brown or Fanny herself; but without some kind of direction (then again, Richardson does give a very specific date...), many hours could be wasted searching through various volumes of letters. Perhaps, at this point, it is best to simply strike the line or change "heart attack" to "another attack."

As to the second suggestion, would simply mentioning that difficulty and providing the link you gave do?

Thanks again, Mars1013 (talk) 20:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clarify, please[edit]

Through the Dilkes and her mother’s wide circle of friends she received many invitations, which caused Keats significant anxiety. This constant presence—which he did not dislike—distracted him from poetry...

Not clear. What did he 'not dislike'?

Publication of his letters to her[edit]

You note the strong disapproval of the critics. But what exactly was it that offended them? Simply too much intimacy? Valetude (talk) 18:53, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]