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Cleanup needed

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The article has many weird sentences, so here are some examples, starting with the very first one:

  • "The Federation of Swiss women against women's suffrage was founded in 1959 after in a referendum of 1959 in which the Swiss men voted not to grant women the right to vote." I guess the "in" from "after in which" needs to be removed?
  • "Over women's suffrage was an decided in over twenty cantonal referenda " Removing both the "Over" and the "an" may help perhaps?
  • "In hindsight of a referendum on women's suffrage in 1959" ??? Do you mean "in the wake of", i.e. "after"? Apparently not, as the group was created before the referendum.
  • "To those reunions also attended by he National Councillor (MP) Karl Hackhofer from the Christian Democratic People's Party (CVP)." That's, er, not a sentence, that's three attempts to say the same thing jumbled into one
  • Using "Vaud" in one sentence and "Waadt" in the next?
  • "from the committee against women's suffrage, the Federation of Swiss women against women's suffrage was founded from the committee against women's suffrage in May 1959." One "from the committee" will be sufficient
  • " on the 4 June 1959"
  • "In Solothurn, the sister of Gertrud Haldimann was the made the sections president."
  • "The names of the presidencies in the cantonal branches were often the same as the ones of the national federation." Meaning?
  • "Nor in Schaffhausen or in the cantons of central Switzerland, the Federation was able to recruit any willing members." "Neither ... nor", not "nor ... or

So yes, this article needs a complete cleanup, a thorough copy-editing. Fram (talk) 08:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review I have addressed several issues. Other things I believe are ok.
To point 2
A committee was founded in 1958, months before the referendum in 1959 and before the Federation was established after the referendum in 1959.
Thanks for the following points.
On the Solothurn issue I don't see it. Haldimann was the national president which is described just above, so her sister had to become a part of the Federation. The Federation had a lack of members which is also described.
It might help that in Switzerland canton is similar as province in other countries, just often much smaller. Thats also why there is the section cantonal branches. I could change canton to province, probably better understandable then. You can revert if you do not agree. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, to replace the cantons with province was not possible. There are already wls to many other cantons, so this would confuse more if they were suddenly described as provinces. If you do not see any more issues, I believe the ce is complete? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, please, leave the tag for some uninvolved copy editors. There are still issues from the above list unaddressed or poorly addressed, and we have enough other issues like "Following the electoral victory in referendum of 1959, from the committee against women's suffrage, the Federation of Swiss women against women's suffrage was founded in May 1959." which is an awkward sentence as a whole, and where "victory" seems like a strange choice of words: while it was their preferred result, it was a defeat for the actual proposal (to grant the vote), and it could hardly be a victory for an organisation which didn't already exist at the time. Additionally, a Master's thesis is normally not considered a reliable source (one for a PhD is), so Furter should be replaced with another source. Fram (talk) 09:05, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Furter's licentiate paper (not a Master, but the ETH called it its equivalent) is the most cited work on the subject by the scholars in the field. If it's good enough for scholars, I AGF it which is in line with WP:RS. You might be interested on their recommended use at WP:RS. And I believe you mess up the committee with the federation. The committees (of which existed two) were founded before the referendum, while the federation after the referendum. I was and am grateful for your suggestions of which several were correct, but I believe some were and still are unfounded. I addressed all points above so if there is nothing else, why keep the tag? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For example "The names of the presidencies in the cantonal branches were often the same as the ones of the national federation.", I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. That the people who were president of a cantonal branch were also president of the national federation? That can be true of at most one, I guess. That the cantonal branch presidents were members of the national federation? That seems only logical. Or do you mean something else, and are you really talking about presidencies and not presidents? "On women's suffrage was decided in [...]" is a weird start of a sentence. You are also writing as if a federation or a committee is a sentient being, e.g. "It disestablished itself", and other sentences could do with the attention of a native speaker as well. I fail to see why you object to the cleanup tag instead of letting some others have a look? Fram (talk) 11:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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