Talk:Filli Vanilli

Filli Vanilli was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
April 9, 2022	Good article nominee	Not listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 24, 2021.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the title of the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode "Filli Vanilli" references the lip-syncing scandal of the German-French R&B duo Milli Vanilli?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode "Filli Vanilli" references the lip-syncing scandal of the German-French R&B group Milli Vanilli?~~ Source: Tweet of the episode's writer

Reviewed: -
Comment: I created this yesterday. Everything apart from the plot is sourced, which is allowed per MOS:TVPLOT. Since this is my first DYK nomination, am I exempt from QPQ?

Created by Styyx (talk). Self-nominated at 12:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - see below
Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, neutral and plagiarism-free. The hook is interesting; it is not exactly mentioned in the article, however, as it is not stated that the band is a band or that there was a scandal. The hook says the actual episode references the band but the tweet, and the article, only support that the title references it. QPQ not needed. Pamzeis (talk) 11:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the title of the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode "Filli Vanilli" references the lip-syncing scandal of the German-French R&B duo Milli Vanilli? Source: same as above

Not sure if this is as interesting as the previous, but I'll give it a go. Also done a minor adjustment in the article itself. ~Styyx^{Talk? ^-^} 14:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is fine by me! Pamzeis (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoter's comment: I'm sorry, a Friendship is Magic nomination that wasn't made by Pamzeis or the ghost of BuySomeApples? hell hath frozen over :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 10:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To T:DYK/P5

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Filli Vanilli/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Pamzeis (talk · contribs) 01:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I AM NOT MISSING A CHANCE TO REVIEW MLP NOMINATIONS THAT ARE NOT MINE!! But really, I do want to review this. Expect comments by 8 February. Will try not to screw this up. Pamzeis (talk) 01:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pamzeis Hahahahaha! You can take your time, that will allow me to work on some other stuff. xD ~Styyx^{Talk? ^-^} 07:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prose[edit]

seventy ninth — should be hyphenated

Added.

Thiessen and co-directed by — since this article is (or should be...) written in American English, add a comma before and

Mr. Styyx writes in heaven knows what English. :) Added.

BigMac lip-syncs — his name is two words, right?

Eeyuup. Fixed.

by 584.000 people — I know MOS:DIGITS is not part of the GA criteria but can the full stop be replaced with comma because it is annoying the heck out of me...

Fixed.

Now with — comma after now?

Added.

Pony Tones, and agrees — I do not think the comma is needed

Removed

Entertainment Weekly should be in italics

Stupid mistake, fixed.

Factory which was made — comma after factory

Added.

by Amazon released — comma after Amazon

Added.

Sources[edit]

What makes TV Media Insights a reliable source?

According to the source itself they got the numbers from Nielsen Media Research. According to this, the chief-editor Marc Berman previously worked at places like NBC and Paramont. That's all I have.

My biggest concern with this article is the heavy reliance on primary sources (about half of the article's refs). In particular, the production is source entirely to primary source, except one. Per WP:PRIMARY: be cautious about basing large passages on them. I understand that there may be no other sources for some claims, but this issue would probably be worthy of a cleanup banner...

I'll figure this out when I get back home.

So... I turned the three tweets into a single source for starters. Although a whole section, it isn't as large as it looks (aided by the picture), and to be honest I don't really know what else to do.

Other[edit]

Amazon didn't release Maud Pie. Shout! Factory did...

Removed Amazon. I don't feel the need to mention Shout! again.

Alvarez's criticism of Pinkie Pie could be mentioned for neutrality

Added ", but noted that Pinkie Pie was annoying in the episode".

Added all my notes. Article On hold. Pamzeis (talk) 01:48, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pamzeis Fixed most if not all. ~Styyx^{Talk? ^-^} 16:43, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Second look[edit]

Is Magic as well — comma after magic?

Added.

but noted that Pinkie Pie was annoying in the episode. — "noted" suggests a fact...

Swapped with "claimed". ~Styyx^{Talk? ^-^} 14:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Still a few things that need to be cleared up. Pamzeis (talk) 13:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still reviewing the sources... I'm not done yet. Pamzeis (talk) 13:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sources have left me baffled. Second opinion requested for the use of primary sources here. Pamzeis (talk) 05:18, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't be comfortable passing the article with the current level of primary sources used. Definitely needs additional secondary sources. ––FormalDude talk 09:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Status query[edit]

Pamzeis, Styyx, where does this review stand? A second opinion was given that the article "definitely needs additional secondary sources", yet there have been no edits in the month since here or to the article. Can you get this nomination moving again? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BlueMoonset Oh crap, I had a GAN. I think this is a fail at this point since there aren't any secondary sources about production. ~Styyx^Talk? 00:29, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't notice the second opinion had been provided because it was still showing up as needing a second opinion on the nominations page. Given the second opinion and the fact that the nominator agrees, I'm gonna have to fail this. Thank you for all your work. Pamzeis (talk) 02:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]