Talk:First grade/Archive 1

Archive 1

Rugby League

'First Grade' is also a term used in rugby league in Australia and New Zealand to mean the first team of professional rugby league teams. There should be a section on this in the article probably as the use of this term is quite widespread. JoelUK (talk) 23:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

If you think it's important, just put it at First grade (rugby). Georgia guy (talk) 23:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it's worth mentioning. I wouldn't say it is worthy of its own article though, it's just the term used and doesn't really carry any special history. It can't really be linked to first team as First Grade refers to the level of competition the first team is playing in. It also might not be appropriate to linked to National Rugby League, the current first grade competition in Australasian rugby league, as the term is in wider use than I first thought and is apparent in the player stats for Australian rugby union players pages and perhaps elsewhere. I might have to think about this for a bit and come back to it. Do you still favour a new article? JoelUK (talk) 18:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Variations in different countries

Wouldn't it be a good idea if this was to talk about the first year of education in the countries where it is called 'first grade'? The general information could be moved to an article with the title Educational year 1 or something. Just an idea. Joshua Issac (talk) 14:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Is there really a logical connection between the use of the term "Grade 1" and the metric system? I can't imagine one. Some countries that have the metric system use the terms "class" or "year" instead of "grade" anyway. Sergeirichard (talk) 15:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

This article seems to really about the curriculum of what the US education system calls first grade. Shouldn't it be called 'US First Grade Education'. It's meaningless to try to compare this across countries when some countries have Kindergarten systems beginning from 2 (China for example) and even the US has state funded kindergartens for a year before grade one. The UK has state funded nurseries and then kindergartens from the age of 3 so there is little meaningful comparison of something called 'First Grade' across countries given that the language curriculums vary so significantly for six and seven year olds from one country to the next as number of years of curriculum before six years of age varies so significantly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obrun (talk • contribs) 20:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, this doesn't make sense. How are First Grade and Grade One the equivalent of Year 2 if they all cater to students in the same age range? Is it because of differences in the low compulsory school age from nation to nation? Tyrekecorrea (talk) 04:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Notability

This article (along with other the articles in its series) does not strike me as being particularly noteworthy. I have already proposed Fifth grade for deletion, and will most likely propose this one for deletion as well should the deletion of fifth grade go through. Ekips (talk) 22:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The valid reason for its inclusion is that the essentially US terminology is not used and not understood in some other English speaking countries. The details of what first graders do is of less consequence than the fixing of their ages.--SilasW (talk) 18:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

That is precisely the reason I looked this article up. However I think it probably would be tidier if that search redirected to a page called for example "Grade School System", which outlined what the term meant and listed the age range (and perhaps learning goals) of the grades. Sergeirichard (talk) 15:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Rename this article

This article, together with all the others up to Twelfth Grade should be renamed to First grade (USA) and the equivalents. Every one of the articles is 100% US-centric, escpecially so, given the <other country> equivalent sections. 86.29.245.109 (talk) 21:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The article needs to be deleted or renamed. The scope of the article is confusing. SilasW appropriately addresses its noteworthiness which seems poor with an extended scope.

Seconded. This is about the 'First Grade' of the education system in the USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obrun (talk • contribs) 21:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Many sections are simply odd as well (for instance the gratingly named "England equivalent")makes jarring assumptions about English education and then digresses to the education of other countries (Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Candy (talk) 01:12, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Year One (education)

Much of the content about the specific countries is already covered in the first grade article. There is no reason why they should be separate, even if they have a separate name. "Year 1" is mentioned in the first grade article and that is a more complete article. For not all the countries in the first grade article are called "first grade" either. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 04:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

See the two comments above. It would be inappropriate to merge this article with educational "Year One" because the numbers do not correspond in the main usages. Would it not be better to redirect to general articles about educational grades and years where a less confusing comparison can be made? Separate articles for each school year seem unnecessary. Dbfirs 08:04, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

What a weird article.

I just did a little cleanup on this article and it struck me how odd it is. The article is named 'first grade', inherently a topic bound to the US, but it contains a load of weird bullet points about other countries, specifically the ages at which children are in that country's 'first grade', even if there isn't a direct equivalent in that education system. Plus, the relevant content is unreferenced. Is this actually an article worth having? -- Pingumeister^(talk) 18:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)