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Insufficient paraphrasing?

This title provided after the author created none.

I read this article after the IMDB plot summary here and on first reading, it sounded exactly alike. Upon comparison, I see it's not identical, but it really sounds like it was copied from it (or both were copied from the same material) 71.146.95.218 (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Episode guide?

episode guide? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.160.16 (talk) 03:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Number of episodes

I'm going to go ahead and update the number up ep's to 4 the curretn number of aired ep if you think this is a mistake change it back and tell me why SomeoneE1se (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

same thing again current number of ep's is only 7 untill the remaining 6 are aired I think it should remain this way SomeoneE1se (talk) 21:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
If you read the Wikipedia guideline for TV infoboxes, it says to list episodes produced not episodes aired. I.E. their existence is not dependent on our having seen them. —MJBurrage(T•C) 23:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Cast

I think it would be beneficial if someone could post a cast list (more so than just the starring int he side bar, but like the character and their actor/actress). This seems to be a norm with other television show wikipedia articles, so it should probably be the same here. Pyrotics (talk) 13:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll try and start one. Not sure how I can go. I'm sure that articles for the main SRU officers and personnel should be there. If anyone can suggest how the page can look like, let us know. I did look at the Lost TV characters page... Ominae (talk) 09:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Already started one. Photo I uploaded of Flashpoint cast may need to be changed to show everyone later on. I just hope there'll be one in the future episodes. For now, that stays until someone or I can find one from the past episodes and make a screencappie. Can anyone check if it's possible to get a picture of the cast in episode 6? Ominae (talk) 04:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Should Olunike Adeliyi be listed in the infobox or not? Her name is not in the title sequence (at least not in the first four episodes of season three) so obviously she isn’t ”starring”. –Kooma (di algo) 12:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe she should...she is a regular member of the cast who appears in seven of the nine episodes filmed from May to August 2009. Her role is clearly indicated as a permanent member of the SRU team, both in the scripts and in the shooting sides (a document produced for each day's filming that, among other things, includes cast precedence).
There are conventions in the TV business regarding credits, linked in part to the type of contract an actor signs with the production, when the actor joins the show and financial consideration determined by agreements between producers and actor unions.
Cast members who begin a series as regular characters generally are listed in the main title credits. An actor portraying a regular character who joins later in the season or who is portraying a principal episodic character is usually listed in the "guest starring" credits. Note that even though Flashpoint doesn't use a "Guest Starring" header, the actors listed before the main title in each episode are considered guest stars.
Actors portraying minor characters are given end-title credits, usually under the heading "co-starring" or "cast" [for example, I portray a minor character in the last episode of the current Flashpoint season and my credit will apppear in the end-title "co-starring" section].
Having a "guest starring" credit does not automatically mean the actor/actress is not considered a part of the main cast of a series. There are several examples of this. One recent example that comes to mind is Sean Murray of NCIS. He was very much a regular cast member from the beginning but his credit was as a "guest star" during that show's first season. Other examples (from older series) include most of the regular cast of the original Star Trek, none of whom other than William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley were ever listed in the main titles; and Russell Johnson (Professor) and Dawn Wells (Mary Ann) from Gilligan's Island, neither of whom were listed in the first season main titles.
Generally, a cast member who joins a production in the middle of a season in a reoccurring role would only get a "main title" credit is if that actor/actress is playing a new leading character. Think Laurence Fishburn when he joined CSI.
In the case of Flashpoint, this is Olunike's first reocurring TV role. Her character, Leah, is at the same level as the characters portrayed by Sergio Di Zio (Spike) and Michael Cram (Wordy). The contract she signed would likely have included a clause indicating that her credit would be determined at the discretion of the producer (this clause appears in the contract I signed with Flashpoint for my role). So just because Olunike doesn't appear in the main title credits, that doesn't mean she isn't considered a series regular. Drew (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Large updates

Just did some substantial updates to this and subpages. Edited a few things here, and added a page for all of the Season Two and Season Three episodes. The plot lines were copy+pasted from List of Flashpoint episodes, so more detailed ones could be made. ShdSlyr2 (talk) 05:15, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Some of the sources down as of 2009

Just to let editors/readers of the article know that some of the references are down. Ominae (talk) 02:20, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Kit list unnecessary

Is the kit list really necessary? I mean, "these are some of the guns and vehicles featured on the show" - it seems overly detailed (and if it features at all, it should be a far more exhaustive list) for an encyclopaedic article. Torak (talk) 08:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree. They should be removed. Ominae (talk) 02:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Came on the talkpage to say the same thing, removed it since it appears we already have consensus. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 19:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Canadian identity

Canada-flag on uniforms

Maybe it should be noted that the canadian flag is decoloured in the US version. At least, in the first episodes I saw from canadian TV, you could see the bright Red coloured flag on the uniformes... when watching from CBS, the flag is decoloured and not so obvious.
--Andre1980 (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

  • It should be noted that we do decolourize the canadian flag for all combat uniforms at it stands out as a great Target in the full red and white.

-- 99.246.199.217 (talk) 21:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Toronto Police Logo on Patrol Cars

Not sure if I should put this in, but if you look carefully the logo of the Toronto Police can been seen on all Patrol Cars and even the flag at the SRU headquarters. The markings on the patrol cars are also identical to that of the Toronto Police (Before 1998). If one looks closely to the uniform of the Court Officer's in "Never Kissed a Girl", it reads "Metropolitan Police". (Which was the name of the Police Service of Toronto Before 1998).
--User:Comm, 15:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Viewer awareness

I'm an American fanatical fan (excuse the redundancy) of both Da Vinci's Inquest and Flashpoint, and came to the article bcz i was nagged by not knowing whether to regard the city as LA or Chicago (which i regard as fairly vanilla yank cities, in contrast to, say, the CSI cities). I'm amazed to discover there are so many Canadian clues.
Is anyone watching for journalistic discussion of any of these?

  1. Ontario (and perhaps Vancouver) as part of a vanilla urban North America
  2. US markets for Canadian cultural wares (other than film locations)
  3. Any avoidance in Flashpoint of the (BC-specific?) speech traits, and refs to "the Crown" and "the horsemen", that i savor on Da Vinci

No OR, of course, in the article, but it may be worth being alert for some conventional wisdom, even if relatively new, on the subject.
--Jerzy•t 23:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It is pretty clearly Toronto. Mentions of Dundas street, neighbourhoods like Rexdale and Rosedale, shots of the CN tower. It seems it is TO, but they I do not think, say it is TO, or have not yet, at least that is my recollection. Oh and there has been at least one ep where there was snow if memory serves, with about 1 cm of snow Vnacouver shuts down..... Dbrodbeck (talk) 03:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
References to "the Crown" are not BC-specific, but rather part of the Canadian criminal system. It would be the approximate equivalent to the US District Attorney. Any criminal case in Canada is technically R. v. accused, where "R" means "Regina/Rex" or "Queen/King", depending on who the monarch is. So, we refer to the Crown where an American would refer to a D.A. Bananatruck (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Sources

Need someone to make them the same. Use the cite web command for the basis. Ominae (talk) 06:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've done a big fix up job. The formatting of citations should be consistent and I've also updated some refs that are down, and removed dead ones. [SCΛRECROW]CrossCom 2.0 11:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Issues with Cast

There seems to be some discrepancy in when certain cast left/joined the show between the main article and the cast list article. I don't know the correct times when the cast members joined/left, so I'll just leave it to someone more knowledgable about this to fix it. 97.100.1.195 (talk) 20:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Cleanse the article ?

If you try to read this article it is a really big, embarrassing, confusing mess. It jumps all over the place between production and broadcast, CTV and CBS, season 3 and the third American season. There is no focus to the article or any given section within the article. No other Canadian show that has international rights buyer/co-production company has any of these issues. Canadian show = Canadian broadcast w/ alt date (which i just added a few minutes ago in a preëmptive act of desperation), Canadian ratings, Canadian Wikiprojects, et al. Canadian broadcasters have been buying rights to American shows for decades. It is nothing that special that 'the table has turned'; Desperate Housewives, Breakout Kings, Nikita, Wonderfalls, the L word, Smallville, and a few hundred other American shows are made in Canada or/and have broadcast rights purchased by Canadian broadcasters yet none of them have such massive coverage of Canadian broadcast as Flashpoint contains American coverage. All of this is only made worse by CBS insisting upon broadcasting the episodes in a different order, at a different time of year, and dividing them into different seasons from CTV. Then there is the ION matter. "Ion Television had acquired all rights to the show and the rights to continue production in house." To me that quote from the current version intro paragraph sounds like if ION wants the show to go beyond 62 episodes the show will be moving to the USA for production. "all rights"? Since when? 25 January 2011 Really? Lies! CBS can't sell what isn't theirs to sell but the article rather says that CBS sold CTV's rights to the show along with their own to ION. That is only the first paragraph but there are issues like that throughout the entire article.
I move that the article be cleansed of all but the necessary international matters with a focus on the domestic broadcast, distribution, production and that CBS be treated as a secondary production company and international broadcaster relegated to the typical passing mention that other such broadcasters get in most every other article.
I am putting this here because i have never thought such a unilateral move would be welcome, no matter how needed sweeping change is, and because perhaps someone has a vision for the article that will transform it into a new and glorious standard for shows that span borders but just needed someone else to say the change is needed. Flashpoint is the largest article on a show that fits the general criteria of Canadian show broadcast on a major USA channel and in may ways sets the standard while at the same time demonstrating what not to do. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 11:20, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure if there is no objection or no interest. If the undue focus on international distribution and broadcast is maintained then the table of home video releases would look something like this:
Name Episodes DVD release dates Blu-ray release dates
Region 1 (CAN) Region 1 (US) Region 2 Region 4 Region A Region B
Season 1 13 October 13, 2009 April 13, 2009 April 16, 2009 October 22, 2009 —
Season 2: Volume 1 9 March 23, 2010 — — March 4, 2010[1] — —
Season 2: Volume 2 9 November 2, 2010 — — April 15, 2010[2] — —
Season 2 per CTV 18 November 2, 2010 — — — — —
Season 2 per CBS 9 — May 25, 2010 — — — —
Season 3 per CTV 13 TBA, 2011 — — May 19, 2011 — —
Season 3 per CBS 16 — May 17, 2011 — — — —
Season 4 per CTV 18 TBA, 2012 — — — — —
Season 4 per CBS 13 — TBA, 2012 — — — —
Season 5 per ION 7 — TBA, 2013 — — — —
The above table, while both accurate and awkward, is representative of the Flashpoint articles too.
What i had failed to point out is that the CSI franchise is the opposite of Flashpoint. The CSI shows were co-produced by the Canadian production/distribution company Alliance Atlantis until the company was bought out in 2007. The CSI shows are American shows produced by a Canadian company (along with Bruckheimer and CBS, two American companies) and made in the USA. Flashpoint is a Canadian show produced by an American company (among the primary Canadian companies) and made in Canada. The CSI articles do not give overwhelming coverage to Canadian broadcast and Canadian home media release et al. yet that is the case with Flashpoint.
How bad is the mis-information about Flashpoint being an American show? The series 1 DVD from Australia says "All 13 episodes of the US smash-hit over 4 discs" right on the cover of the packaging. Series 2 parts 1 & 2 and series 3 drop the nationality label from the tag line on the cover art.
The only mention of Canada in the CSI shows' main articles is the country of origin in the infobox. There is mention of Alliance Atlantis being a co-producer and distributor of the show through 2007. That is it. Yet the Flashpoint articles are full of CBS matters. If i were to take the CSI articles and put in such Canadian coverage as there is American coverage here it would surely be rejected immediately and if i insisted i would probably be labelled a disruptive editor. I really don't like the double standard being ok here and unacceptable on a show of American origin.
I should also point out that Alliance Atlantis was a 50% owner of the CSI franchise and held the North American distribution rights while CBS holds no comparable stake in Flashpoint. CSI is more Canadian than Flashpoint is American. The CBS stuff should go. If there is no objection shortly then i'll go ahead with this. It has been almost 3 weeks without a response. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 22:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
That table should probably be presented as prose. As I said to you on a different page, I agree that there's a problem here, but don't think "The CBS stuff should go", it should be relocated to the broadcast section, it really has no place in the production section. The production section should only mention how the seasons were produced, how either channel broadcasted them should be in the broadcast section. Xeworlebi (talk) 04:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
By the logic of keeping foreign broadcast in such predominance we should be adding comparable detail to all shows seen on CTV like Desperate Housewives and Ghost Whisperer and shows seen on Global like Bones, Smallville, and Gilmore girls. But those shows are also on Channel 4 or ITV in the UK. And o so many other countries. Smallville is made in Canada. The pilot of Gilmore girls was made in Canada. Those shows, and all others of like pedigree, then should have Canadian coverage in the articles in much greater proportion than they presently have, assuming there is any coverage at all per what appears to be your standard. The CSI shows especially need their Canadian coverage dramatically increased. The only reason i put in the US broadcast variance was to curb the temptation to perpetuate the erroneous claim that the episode from Friday past and the five Fridays coming are new episodes. The CBS coverage needs to be cut down to passing mention of being an international broadcaster that shows the episodes in difference to the rest of the world's schedule. Until the very much fluid and interesting broadcast history of Smallville in Canada is accepted for the main article at par with the US broadcast then i am opposed to such level of coverage being given to CBS in the Flashpoint article. Reciprocity.
You are the one who put forward the non-English = non-notable, which i do very much disagree with. I added in the France broadcast in French of XIII as part of my expansion of that article a few hours ago. The show is made jointly for&by Canal+ & Shaw and is partially made in France. You and i also disagree on what is acceptable when a show premieres internationally and its domestic debut comes days or months later. I don't think we ever came to an agreement about Outlaw and Mr Sunshine's episode list made sense last i looked but the infobox i never looked at. We really clash over Body Of Proof in that i find the Italian broadcast of all 13 episodes cause to list it when ABC & Citytv committed to showing only, out of order, 9/13 of season 1. CBS is an English broadcaster but they have never had the world or North American premiere of a single episode without that episode being shown earlier in that same night or simultaneously on CTV. The point of this being that while it is clear i disagree with you in a few things i can not even guess at why you are taking such a position on this particular matter with Flashpoint as it seems contradictory to your stance in related matters. delirious & lost ☯ ~hugs~ 19:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
The non-English = non-notable only applies to cases were there is nothing notable about the broadcast. If there's something to say about the broadcast then say it, if there's nothing to say besides it aired in [insert every country in the world] on [insert every channel in the world] then there is nothing interesting about it. To me doing something different, having a world premiere, etc. is notable, just being the same is not. But you already know that and that isn't really the point here. If there are other shows were there's something to say about the Canadian broadcast then it should be said, by all means go add it, but that also isn't relevant here. I have never even heard of Body of Proof until now, and I have never edited that article, and am entirely unaware of the situation there, so you can't really say we clashed about it. What you just said about that show, that appears to be notable info and seems perfectly fine to add.
I truly believe you are entirely misunderstanding the intentions of that proposal. Clearly there is something notable about the broadcasting differences between Canada and the U.S. so that can be mentioned, if they aired like most other shows without any difference then it probably should go, the English = can be in the article was a compromise on my part, if it were up to me then it should go if there's nothing special about it. If the show airs completely different in Israel then that should also be added in the article. The weird thing is that you have made it quite clear that you want the lists of every country and every channel the show has aired on, yet you don't want it here?
What happens on different articles and for different situations isn't really relevant here, I know you like the wall of text with dozens of comparisons on other pages, but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS has no real merit, just because it happened elsewhere doesn't mean it should here. I have the feeling that because Canada is not mentioned in great detail on other articles, that you want to get even by doing the same for the U.S. here. Xeworlebi (talk) 06:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Buy Flashpoint - Series 2 Volume 1 DVD". Dvdorchard.com.au. Retrieved 2010-08-29.
  2. ^ {{cite web|url=http://www.dvdorchard.com.au/product.asp?PND=171180 |title=Buy Flashpoint - Series 2 Volume 2 DVD |publisher=Dvdorchard.com.au |date=2010-04-15 |accessdate=2010-08-29

It's setting is toronto

The show uses Toronto street names, landmarks, logos, and more. Even in the recent bomb episode, a sheet of paper said "Toronto Financial" and "Toronto Fire" has been used. Please let it be known the location is set in Toronto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waldenbg (talk • contribs) 02:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

It's made pretty clear in this paragraph :

While initially, and according to Enrico Colantoni, the setting for the show was not identified,[36] a Canadian flag was included on the officer's uniforms. As the show has progressed, the setting has become more significantly identifiable. This is especially true of the third season. Toronto landmarks, such as the CN Tower and York University, a fictional Toronto Interpreter newspaper (designed in the style of the Toronto Star, though "The Star" was mentioned during the premiere of Season 3), and Toronto Transit Commission stations and patrol cars are now regularly shown, identical to a Toronto Police Service vehicle but without the city name and with a fake division number.[citation needed]

What more do you want? Replacing this paragraph by "the show is set in Toronto" unnecessarily removes context. — CharlieEchoTango — 03:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Tidyup

The article is a bit of a mess regarding tenses.

There are many areas which talk in the future and present tense about events from 2010-2012. I will try and give it a look this week if no-one else has time or inclination. Chaosdruid (talk) 21:33, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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