Talk:Flee (album)

Solo album?

Flee is not a "solo album" for Spencer. Michael Fogarty, for example, played a major role. I would suggest some rewording in this regard. --Monger 02:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a solo album in the context of Fleetwood Mac, which I would suggest is how everyone looks at the musical career of Jeremy Spencer. Agreed, it's not solo in the true sense of the word, and I added something to the article to that effect. It was The Jeremy Spencer Band after all. I don't know much at all about Fogarty, so I can't really say much about his input or his other work. If anyone knows anything about him, it would be nice to see an article on him. Bretonbanquet 12:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I've edited the article to make it more clear that this was not a solo Spencer album. There is a stub article on Michael Fogarty here (currently very minimal): http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Michael_Fogarty --Monger 00:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Further note... calling it a solo album on the basis that it was released by "The Jeremy Spencer Band" is like calling albums by the band Marilyn Manson solo works. Spencer was playing music with Fogarty and the others who made this CD significantly before they became known as "The Jeremy Spencer Band". --Monger 22:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

So let's hear about it then. If you have information on what Spencer and Fogarty were doing prior to this album, and afterwards as well - put it in somewhere. It's not information that's widely known within the Fleetwood Mac fan community, so we'd be grateful for it. I wasn't even aware that Fogarty was a CoG member. As far as was known generally, this was just one of Spencer's many projects that produced a record. I am no expert on his CoG period, and can't add anything on it really. As I said before, almost everyone wanting to know about Spencer would come via Fleetwood Mac, hence my reference to his work as being 'solo' in the context of Fleetwood Mac. None of his work is solo if you look it at it in the terms you outlined.

Please appreciate that I am writing and editing from a Fleetwood Mac angle. My knowledge of Spencer is almost completely limited to his time with that band, and even then I am more concerned with Green, Kirwan and other members. The period of Spencer's life after Mac is a bit of a blur to us, and we are certainly not familiar with any of the darker side of what was going on. You are clearly more of an expert and I for one would be grateful for any expansion of this article, the "Jeremy Spencer and the Children" article, or the general Spencer article in this regard. Bretonbanquet 12:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Though as a teenager I briefly lived with Fogarty in Japan in the early 2000s, I don't personally know all that much about Spencer or Fogarty's early years with The Family/COG. In January 1990, the cult released an internal publication for teens, written by Spencer, titled "The Wicked World Behind the Scenes of Rock & Roll". In it he recounts some of his history up until that point, including details about the production of this and other albums. It is available here. The article is highly homophobic and antisemitic, among other things. It was one in a series of other "Traumatic Testimonies" released internally by the cult. Note that the article makes extensive use of the group's terminology and jargon. The Children of God lexicon on xFamily.org may be of some use when reading it. --Monger 01:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not at all convinced he wrote that. He knows the difference between Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks for instance, unlike whoever wrote that article. Also, Peter Green never spent time in prison in the US. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Dear Bretonbanquet, Sorry we got off on the wrong foot. I did not want to mess with your work. Obviously, you have put a lot of effort into it. This is the first time I have ever tried to edit a Wikipedia Page but I do have first-hand imformation on "The Jeremy Spencer Band" that I think you would like to include. Is this the best way to contact you?

Hi, yes, this is a good place, and yes, it would be great to add any extra information to the article, so long as we follow all the wiki rules. What info did you have and how did you come by it? Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bretonbanquet, Thanks for getting back to me. I'm working on the verification you asked for. My imformation comes from the fact, that my sister "Jeanne Hendricks" was the girl singer on the majority of the album's tracks. (not the three tunes on the "A Side" that they turned into Disco Songs). Jeanne sang the lead on album's sucessful Single "Cool Breeze" (11 weeks on The Billboard Adult Contempory Charts reaching #21). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolbreezeintheair (talk • contribs) 20:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, cool. I don't doubt it at all that your sister was the singer. There's clearly a female vocalist there, who's not just a part of "the Songbirds", who takes the lead vocal on a number of tracks. The question is, how do we verify that it's her. It's a shame she's not mentioned on the album sleeve. Is there any physical evidence from the time, such as contracts, promotional material or studio running sheets or suchlike with her name on? The chart info should be easier to verify - I'm not a chart expert but we could put that info in with a "citation needed" tag and someone will probably add a source in later if we can't find one ourselves. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bretonbanquet, You're right, verification for the chart info I gave you on the "Cool Breeze" Single was easy to get. The Chart Archive person at Billboard, I got my info from was Keith Caulfield in Los Angeles (323-525-2297. As for my sister Jeanne Hendricks paticipation in the album, I don't have any of the physical evidence you mentioned... except the fact that a picture of Jeanne with the band is inside the album sleeve and inside the CD box. This same picture was used in the print advertising for the album, including a full page ad that ran in Billboard Magazine June 23,1979 announcing the album's release.(which I can e-mail a copy to you). That is about all I've got for now. Is this enough? If not, do you have any more ideas?

User: Coolbreezeintheair —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolbreezeintheair (talk • contribs) 21:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Good, so the chart info is sorted. The print ad from 1979 would actually be a good thing to add to the article. That way Jeanne can be seen with the band, in the article. If you email me a good quality copy, I'll see about uploading it to wikipedia. If you click on my name, you can then select "email this user" from the toolbox on the left of the page. I did have another idea - I asked Jeremy (!) I've asked him about a few things before so I wrote him a little note. He replied this evening - he remembers Jeanne and confirmed that she sang on "Cool Breeze" and the other tracks. If you email me I'll reply and tell you exactly what he said :) That's good enough for me - straight from the horse's mouth as it were! If any other editor raises a query about it in the future, then we can deal with it then. Cheers! Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey,Bretonbanquet Great news. I can't wait to hear what Jeremy had to say. Unfortunetly, I am having trouble finding the "email user" on your toolbar. Can you help? Also, when I figure it out, I will send a copy of the album launch ad with the band's photo. I'm afraid it's a pretty poor quality representation I found on the internet. I believe, I do have a original somewhere that I'll scan and send when I find it. User: Coolbreezeintheair —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolbreezeintheair (talk • contribs) 15:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Brentonbanquet. Problem solved. Email sent. User: Coolbreezeintheair —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolbreezeintheair (talk • contribs) 16:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)