Talk:Football Fans Census

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This article was nominated for deletion on August 20 2007. The result of the discussion was No Consensus.

Does this organisation still exist?[edit]

I have tried clicking on the link for the official website of this group, and it appears to be broken, you get a "403 forbidden" message. A bing search brings up a result that gives the same non-working address as their official website. Any ideas if it's a real thing, notable, still functioning having an up to date official website? --PaulHammond (talk) 09:58, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for Speedy Deletion[edit]

I have proposed this page for speedy deletion. It is a page about a group whose notability is doubtful, created by the group and substantially edited by the group. It is nothing more than an advert for the group by the group and the discussion history on this page demonstrates that the article was created for the purpose of "raise awareness of our organisation". 87.127.44.154 18:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted that User:78.146.204.35 added {{hangon}} to the article, but has not yet offered an explanation on the talk page, which is required. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 19:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership[edit]

The article states: "The Football Fans Census was created by two fans in 2002 and is now owned by Football Fans Central Ltd." Is this correct? Football Fans Census isn't owned by anybody - it is a trading name of Football Fans Central. What is there to actually own? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.127.44.154 (talk) 08:09, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. I forgot to add the four tildes. Apologies 87.127.44.154 09:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Football Fans Census page[edit]

We are a football supporters organisation that represents football fans all over the UK on many important issues such as fans views, hooliganism, safety, ticket prices etc. I want to add an article to raise awareness of our organisation.

I have not finished the article yet...so why say that it is spam?

Footballfanscensus 17:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"I want to add an article to raise awareness of our organisation." is an indication of promotional activities. You might check out WP:COI for info about conflicts of interest and WP:CORP for the notability guidelines for organizations. NickelShoe (Talk) 17:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-edited the page for you now. Basicly we are like a large football fan organisation. If fans want to express their views about football - they can do that via ourselves. You have allowed other 'football fans organisations' to have wikipedia pages...so why block ours? We have no financial gain from this and it doesnt actually promote anything.

The reason I am editing it is that no-one else knows how to use wikipedia.

Could you please take the spam tag off or tell me what edit I need to do ASAP

Thanx

Footballfanscensus 17:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. Have you read the guildelines I've linked you to? You shouldn't use Wikipedia in order to promote your group. We're an encyclopedia, not a billboard. If there are other football fan organizations, they should meet the same criteria this article is being held to. If they are for advertising or do not meet the notability guidelines at WP:CORP, they should be deleted. If you want to save the article, the most important thing is to add sources. If your group has never been reported on in a reliable source, regardless of spam concerns, it will end up deleted sooner or later. NickelShoe (Talk) 17:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Yes I read all your guidelines thanks... As we independently represent fans view and are a name that can be seen often in articles why cannot there be a page so that people knows who the FFC are?

I can added sources for you now...hang on and dont delete please.

Footballfanscensus 18:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You added sources. That's great. What you really need, though, are sources about the group, not just sources that mention the group. You might have enough to avoid speedy deletion now, but it's still borderline. NickelShoe (Talk) 18:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in the middle of writing/editing..so please wait. I will add sources about the group for sure in the next hour!!!! If you could please take the spam off ?!?.

Footballfanscensus 18:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks...I have now added as you requested sources "about the group". One of them is very much in depth (the 1st source). This should resolve everything. Please confirm.

Footballfanscensus 21:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks pretty good to me. NickelShoe (Talk) 11:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Footballfanscensus.jpg[edit]

Image:Footballfanscensus.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 05:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re-write: August 2007[edit]

I have re-written this article following the "no consensus" result of the afd debate. In particular I have removed most internal sources - ie, sources from the company's own website or other internal marketing material as they are not credible independent verifiable sources and I have sought to remove the advertorial style. 87.127.44.154 16:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]